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Breaking in a New Stainless Barrel

I know that there are widely varying viewpoints about how best to break in a new stainless (or chrome moly) barrel. Some advocate shooting one, clean, shoot another one, clean, etc., up to maybe 10 rounds, and then every 3 rounds up to 30, etc. Others feel that no special shooting regimen needs to be followed. I know that different barrel-makers have their own ideas about this.

I've recently been getting set up to shoot a new Dakota Varminter in .222 Rem. with a stainless Douglas barrel. So I emailed Douglas Barrels and asked for their recommendation. What I received was the recommendation to shoot 5, clean, shoot 5, clean...up to 20 rounds. So a total of 4 cleanings with the first 20 rounds.

This seems like a middle-of-the-road recommendation and also reasonable. Any thoughts on this?
 
Any thought on this?

I use Krieger barrels mostly. I follow their recommendations because they make sense to me, and my actual experience mirrors their recommendations.

BREAK-IN & CLEANING:

With any premium barrel that has been finish lapped -- such as your Krieger Barrel --, the lay or direction of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, so fouling is minimal compared to a barrel with internal tooling marks. This is true of any properly finish-lapped barrel regardless of how it is rifled. If it is not finish-lapped, there will be reamer marks left in the bore that are directly across the direction of the bullet travel. This occurs even in a button-rifled barrel as the button cannot completely iron out these reamer marks.

Because the lay of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, very little is done to the bore during break-in, but the throat is another story. When your barrel is chambered, by necessity there are reamer marks left in the throat that are across the lands, i.e. across the direction of the bullet travel. In a new barrel they are very distinct; much like the teeth on a very fine file.

When the bullet is forced into the throat, copper dust is removed from the jacket material and released into the gas which at this temperature and pressure is actually a plasma. The copper dust is vaporized in this plasma and is carried down the barrel. As the gas expands and cools, the copper comes out of suspension and is deposited in the bore. This makes it appear as if the source of the fouling is the bore when it is actually for the most part the new throat.

If this copper is allowed to stay in the bore, and subsequent bullets and deposits are fired over it, copper which adheres well to itself, will build up quickly and may be difficult to remove later. So when we break in a barrel, our goal is to get the throat “polished without allowing copper to build up in the bore. This is the reasoning for the fire-one-shot-and-clean procedure.

Every barrel will vary slightly in how many rounds they take to break in For example a chrome moly barrel may take longer to break in than stainless steel because it is more abrasion resistant even though it is a similar hardness. Also chrome moly has a little more of an affinity for copper than stainless steel so it will usually show a little more color if you are using a chemical cleaner. Rim Fire barrels can take an extremely long time to break in, sometimes requiring several hundred rounds or more. But cleaning can be lengthened to every 25-50 rounds. The break-in procedure and the cleaning procedure are really the same except for the frequency. Remember the goal is to get or keep the barrel clean while breaking in the throat with bullets being fired over it.

Finally, the best way to tell if the barrel is broken in is to observe the patches; i.e. when the fouling is reduced. This is better than some set number of cycles of shoot and clean as many owners report practically no fouling after the first few shots, and more break-in would be pointless. Conversely, if more is required, a set number would not address that either. Besides, cleaning is not a completely benign procedure so it should be done carefully and no more than necessary.
 
That's very helpful information, jepp2. I wish that the rifle had a Krieger barrel (I've just ordered one for another project), but it is a Douglas, which I understand is button-rifled.
 
I know that there are widely varying viewpoints about how best to break in a new stainless (or chrome moly) barrel. Some advocate shooting one, clean, shoot another one, clean, etc., up to maybe 10 rounds, and then every 3 rounds up to 30, etc. Others feel that no special shooting regimen needs to be followed. I know that different barrel-makers have their own ideas about this.

I've recently been getting set up to shoot a new Dakota Varminter in .222 Rem. with a stainless Douglas barrel. So I emailed Douglas Barrels and asked for their recommendation. What I received was the recommendation to shoot 5, clean, shoot 5, clean...up to 20 rounds. So a total of 4 cleanings with the first 20 rounds.

This seems like a middle-of-the-road recommendation and also reasonable. Any thoughts on this?
I think that the person that wrote that has been with Douglas Barrel Co. For 30 plus years and has more 1000 yard Benchrest awards than most people could possibly imagine.
Best Regards
J
 
Factory barrels break it is good.

Match hand lapped barrels need no break in. The hand lapping is the break in !

I had 1 Shilen barrel that would copper like crazy for the first couple hundred rounds. Not even factory barrels coppered like that.
Then all the sudden it became a barrel that NEVER again had any copper, no matter what !!! Even a borescope could not find any. Still can't explain that one.

All barrels should be cleaned before shooting them for the first time. There is still some dirt and oil in them that should be cleaned.
 
Lapped barrels don't need break-in. Freshly-cut chambers in lapped barrels do.

rox you are correct, Smooth the machine marks left by the reamer before firing a single shot. It's not the lapped barrel I'm worried about it's were the gunsmith ran the reamer in. And I know some smiths have oil bathes that push all the chips out but do your self a favor use a little JB and smooth things out.

Joe Salt
 
rox you are correct, Smooth the machine marks left by the reamer before firing a single shot. It's not the lapped barrel I'm worried about it's were the gunsmith ran the reamer in. And I know some smiths have oil bathes that push all the chips out but do your self a favor use a little JB and smooth things out.
Joe Salt

+1 I use 240 grit lapping compound on a patched brush for the throat but only 10-20 very short passes.
 
The older I get, the less I do. that said...No more than 5 shots. Stop & Clean. Look carefully at the patches..Oh, & don't forget to give at least a pass or two before shooting a new barrel..Check the bore every time you clean. Before you put the bolt back into the rifle. Double check everything for safety. Mike in Ct
 
I shoot one, then clean with Bore Tech C4 carbon cleaner, then Bore tech Cu +2 copper cleaner until there is no green on the patch.

I then shoot again and repeat until there is no green showing up on the patch. The latest Krieger barrel took only 6 or 7 shots until there was no copper showing.

Then shoot normally.
 
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I know that there are widely varying viewpoints about how best to break in a new stainless (or chrome moly) barrel. Some advocate shooting one, clean, shoot another one, clean, etc., up to maybe 10 rounds, and then every 3 rounds up to 30, etc. Others feel that no special shooting regimen needs to be followed. I know that different barrel-makers have their own ideas about this.

I've recently been getting set up to shoot a new Dakota Varminter in .222 Rem. with a stainless Douglas barrel. So I emailed Douglas Barrels and asked for their recommendation. What I received was the recommendation to shoot 5, clean, shoot 5, clean...up to 20 rounds. So a total of 4 cleanings with the first 20 rounds.

This seems like a middle-of-the-road recommendation and also reasonable. Any thoughts on this?

Just my experience for what it's worth... Douglas has been making excellent barrels since before many on this board were born. So that means they have a lot experience in what works. When breaking in a barrel you should always follow the manufacturers instructions. That way if there is an issue with the barrel it is on them.

Here's an example: a partner of mine had a new barrel chambered up a few years ago. He did not follow the manufacturer's instructions on break in, and used someone on the internet's wild a$$ methodology. The barrel would not shoot. When he called the manufacturer to report the problem they asked about how the barrel was broken in and the conversation went south from there. My friend was asked by the person at the barrel company to contact the person who gave him those instructions on break in and have him warrant the barrel. WD
 
Wouldn't it make sense to break in a new barrel with loads charged with CFE-223 or similar copper eliminating propellant, if copper removal is a key process in barrel break-in? I have a new Shilen 6BR barrel I'm about to screw into an action, and now you've got me thinking about the whole break-in issue again. I've been subscribing to the "just shoot it" school of thought up 'till now. Just when I think I know what I'm doing.....:mad:
 
Wouldn't it make sense to break in a new barrel with loads charged with CFE-223 or similar copper eliminating propellant, if copper removal is a key process in barrel break-in? I have a new Shilen 6BR barrel I'm about to screw into an action, and now you've got me thinking about the whole break-in issue again. I've been subscribing to the "just shoot it" school of thought up 'till now. Just when I think I know what I'm doing.....:mad:

Simple answer...… call shilen and ask them. JME.WD
 

Thanks for the link. I read that article a few years ago and decided then that barrels really don't need break in. That being said, I had a new barrel from a reputable maker that had a huge burr at the end of the throat. The lands looked like they were about .060 high from the burr as viewed from my endoscope camera.

I shot it anyway and the burrs disappeared, probably with the first shot. That barrel shoots TINY groups still, so IMOP the article is not just some one's opinion, but rather seems to have merit.
 
Thanks for the link. I read that article a few years ago and decided then that barrels really don't need break in. That being said, I had a new barrel from a reputable maker that had a huge burr at the end of the throat. The lands looked like they were about .060 high from the burr as viewed from my endoscope camera.

I shot it anyway and the burrs disappeared, probably with the first shot. That barrel shoots TINY groups still, so IMOP the article is not just some one's opinion, but rather seems to have merit.

Nobody knew more about rifle barrels than Gayle McMillan.
 

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