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Berger 85.5s at 2956fps

I recently started load work up with the Berger 85.5s in a 30” McGowen barrel and while working up to see where max pressure might be with N140 was shocked to see 2956fps with SDs of 3 and still no real sign of pressure. The slight firing pin cratering is normal with this factory Savage bolt. Has anyone else had similar results using N140?C6E91EBB-B095-44EC-8786-F1FAF232D9C4.jpeg
 
Getting around 2840fps with 24.7 of N140 and 88ELDM bullets. Anything more starts to show pressure. You sure about your chronograph?
 
I'm using Starline brass which is around 100 grns. + or - and I think the Lapua may be a little lighter but not much. There are many factors which can influence velocity and powder loads, case volume being one of them. I can shoot 25.1 but not through a 25 shot string in Summer without getting heavy bolt lift.
 
In my 22BR, the 85.5 were able to go 80gn speeds despite the extra weight. It has a pretty short bearing surface relative to all the 90gn class, which I think results in more speed at equivalent pressures. How's your accuracy? I was never able to get them to shoot very well, and accuracy was worse the faster I pushed them.
 
In my 22BR, the 85.5 were able to go 80gn speeds despite the extra weight. It has a pretty short bearing surface relative to all the 90gn class, which I think results in more speed at equivalent pressures. How's your accuracy? I was never able to get them to shoot very well, and accuracy was worse the faster I pushed them.
Pretty consistent 3/8-MOA but not what I’m use to. Will be trying some 90s shortly.
 
Pretty consistent 3/8-MOA but not what I’m use to. Will be trying some 90s shortly.
All the 90gn class bullets were significantly more accurate with wider nodes of in-tune than the 85.5 for me. My favorite of the bunch is the 90SMK because it is more durable and I haven't had blow-ups with it like I have with the others in a barrel that likes to blow up anything and everything. RMR bullets has a huge batch of the 90s and bulk bullet pricing right now, if you're looking to buy some.
 
You stated that you are not seeing any "real signs of pressure" from this load. Am I correctly assuming that you are solely referring to obvious visual pressure signs from the brass itself or primers?

I'd be willing to bet good money that not only is that load over pressure (SAAMI MAX for .223 Rem = 55K psi), it's WAY over pressure. Try measuring the datum line above the extractor groove before/after firing and see how much case-head expansion you're getting. I'll bet it's greater than zero. It's pretty much the norm for Lapua brass primer pockets to give up the ghost after only 2-4 firings when running .224" "heavies" at such velocities. You may never actually see "obvious" pressure signs on the brass itself or the primers, as such signs are often unreliable indicators and only show up when the pressure is ridiculously high. However, get yourself a Ballistic tools swage gauge (https://ballistictools.com/store/reloading-products/swage-gage-small-primer-pocket) and check the primer pockets after cleaning the brass. If the load actually is markedly over-pressure, you find out in a firing or two once the primer pockets start to go. If nothing else, it's a very useful tool to have around if you're running relatively high-pressure loads in .223 Rem, because there is no need to continue processing cases when the primer pockets are gone. In the event your primer pockets are NOT opening up within a firing or two, the cost of this tool is minimal and you can still use it to spot check a few cases here and there and maintain your peace of mind about the brass.
 
You stated that you are not seeing any "real signs of pressure" from this load. Am I correctly assuming that you are solely referring to obvious visual pressure signs from the brass itself or primers?

I'd be willing to bet good money that not only is that load over pressure (SAAMI MAX for .223 Rem = 55K psi), it's WAY over pressure. Try measuring the datum line above the extractor groove before/after firing and see how much case-head expansion you're getting. I'll bet it's greater than zero. It's pretty much the norm for Lapua brass primer pockets to give up the ghost after only 2-4 firings when running .224" "heavies" at such velocities. You may never actually see "obvious" pressure signs on the brass itself or the primers, as such signs are often unreliable indicators and only show up when the pressure is ridiculously high. However, get yourself a Ballistic tools swage gauge (https://ballistictools.com/store/reloading-products/swage-gage-small-primer-pocket) and check the primer pockets after cleaning the brass. If the load actually is markedly over-pressure, you find out in a firing or two once the primer pockets start to go. If nothing else, it's a very useful tool to have around if you're running relatively high-pressure loads in .223 Rem, because there is no need to continue processing cases when the primer pockets are gone. In the event your primer pockets are NOT opening up within a firing or two, the cost of this tool is minimal and you can still use it to spot check a few cases here and there and maintain your peace of mind about the brass.
Thanks! Good information!
 

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