Berger 30 cal 185 Juggernaut diferences

[mkwafa]

What are the differences, if any, between the two versions of the Berger 185 308 Juggernaught.
One is listed as a Open Tip Match bullet, and the other is listed as a boat tail hollow point.
The BTHP is 30418 and the OTM is 30107. It looks like the description is even the same.
The prices are even a little bit different.

 

[memilanuk]

IIRC, none. It's a semantics thing, because 'hollow points' are frowned upon for service ammunition. 'Open tip match' is "okay". Physically, I don't think there's any difference.

 

[Nomosendero2]

It's about "feelings"

 

[762willdo]

IIRC, none. It's a semantics thing, because 'hollow points' are frowned upon for service ammunition. 'Open tip match' is "okay". Physically, I don't think there's any

also, that Geneva convention

 

[memilanuk]

also, that Geneva convention

Hague, I believe.

The Hague Convention of 1899, Declaration III, prohibited the use in international warfare of bullets that easily expand or flatten in the body.[4] It is a common misapprehension that hollow-point ammunition is prohibited by the Geneva Conventions, as the prohibition significantly predates those conventions. The Saint Petersburg Declaration of 1868 banned exploding projectiles of less than 400 grams, along with weapons designed to aggravate injured soldiers or make their death inevitable.

Link

 

[AICS308]

A small difference in OAL. Open tip is designated tactical, the other target.

 

[762willdo]

Hague, I believe.

Link

I believe your right my bad……

 

[karrarararararar]

What is the difference between the 30 Cal 185 Grain Match Juggernaut Target and OTM Tactical? (30418 vs 30107)

These are simply different naming conventions that we use to clarify that the bullets can be used for each application. The military requires "OTM."

bergerbullets.com

 

[mkwafa]

What is the difference between the 30 Cal 185 Grain Match Juggernaut Target and OTM Tactical? (30418 vs 30107)

These are simply different naming conventions that we use to clarify that the bullets can be used for each application. The military requires "OTM."

bergerbullets.com

Thanks! It is just interesting that they actually have different prices. If they are the same thing, you would think that there would be the same price.

 

[wboggs]

Thanks! It is just interesting that they actually have different prices. If they are the same thing, you would think that there would be the same price.

Optics and supply/demand

 

[D-4297]

I shot the OTM's for several years , and they were okay . Bought a bunch of Jugg Targets at a smokin price , and first time I shot them , my score went up 8 points and X count went up , too .
Went from shooting just barely Master scores , to pushing High Master , almost every time I shoot now . Same rifle , same loads , same idiot behind the trigger , and five to seven points higher every string now . The Bullet is the only change .