Berger 105 VLD for coyote?

[XTERMINATOR]

Hi guys, I should received my new 6br this week,Blaser LRS2):lol: I wanted to know if any of you have tried the Berger 105 VLD on coyote? I know they are better choices,87 V-max, 105 A-max) but I would like to keep, if possible, the same set up for target and varmint, if any of you ad any experience with the Berger 105 vld it would be very appreciated, thank's

ps: sorry for my spelling mistakes my english is a little rusty

 

[EricStecker]

I don't have experience with the 6mm 105 gr VLD on coyote but I can tell you some things I know about the VLD that might help.

The VLD nose shape allows the bullet to penetrate up to 3" before the bullet will start to expand. This is working great on big game however on a small bodied,by comparison) coyote the result is a bullet that will punch through with minimal expansion. This result will be magnified the further out you shoot. Since the VLD is usually used at long range this can present a problem.

If your goal is to hit the coyote at long range then the VLD can get you there just be ready to take a second shot. I suggest using the 6mm 105 gr BT since the ogive shape of the BT results in expansion on impact. This is your best option from Berger. The other brands might have a better option for your application since the plastic tips produce high BC and instant expansion.

Regards,
Eric Stecker
Berger Bullets

 

[XTERMINATOR]

Hi Eric, thank's for the honest answer it is very appreciated:thumb:
For now I think I will stick with the A-max for varmint since Berger bullets are not easy to get here in Quebec, I order from extreme accuracy who as a great service by the way but it always takes a few weeks to get them up here :cry: )But don't worry the 105 vld still have my vote for next shooting season, I won last year provincial with your .30 155vld in the F-F class,.308)and have the intention to give a hard time to the guys of the open class next season!

 

[cycbb486]

Xterminator, There are many guys in Canada who are distributors for Berger. So getting them is not an issue. I just wish that we could get a few more of the aftermarket bullet makers wanting to work with getting some of there bullets into Canada. The sad part is I think many find it is not worth the headache for our small market up hear.


Calvin

 

[AckleymanII]

Heavy bullet, slow velocity equals very pitiful terminal performance. I have killed a lot of coyotes and the use of heavy bullets, especially in a 6 br means that you have to hit them perfect in order not to hit them in such a way as to not leade to a lingering death.

You would be well advised to use a 70g Blitz king, 75g Sierra HP, or 75g V Max, Coyotes take a lot of killing, they have an incredible will to live.

I have a friend that shoots wood chucks. He started off shooting a 87g V Max at the chucks with his 243, but too many of the chucks ended up dragging themselves back in their holes...at 343 velocities. He says the bullet is too tough for chucks, if it is too tough for chucks, it will be marginal on yotes.

I will assume that you have a fast twist BR, and the twist does aid in helping the jacket to open faster, but for a yote hunting rifle, the 6 BR has the trajectory of a 45/70. You are apt to miss or unzip them due to trajectory issues at ranges beyone 300 yards. Most of the time when you are calling yotes, you don't have the luxury of having lots of time to range find a coyote and click up your knobs to the distance. When you see a yote, you may have to the count of 3 to kill him, otherwise, he's gone. I say this having shot thousands of rounds in a 6 BR at p. dogs and ground squirrels.

Of course, with perfect hits, any bullet will do. It's your hobby, make it what is fun for you!

 

[EricStecker]

Calvin,

Speaking as a producer who sells into Canada I can relay that the challenge we face in the US is not the market size but rather the available methods of shipping. UPS and FedEx won't ship what they define as ammunition into Canada. We went round and round with them over this issue. The discussion with FedEx involved their legal department. According to the FedEx legal department bullet are by definition a component of ammunition. As a component of ammunition they are restricted.

The Federal governments guidelines on this matter do not clearly define bullets as ammunition. However they also do not clearly define bullets as not being ammunition so it is left to the shipper to make an interpretation of the guidelines. We were not willing to take it to court so we simply ship all our Canadian orders through the US Postal Service. The USPS is not as convienient,you have to take the package to the local post office) and they do not have the same tracking capabilities as UPS or FedEx but they will get the package to your door.

Regards,
Eric Stecker
Berger Bullets

 

[cycbb486]

Calvin,

Speaking as a producer who sells into Canada I can relay that the challenge we face in the US is not the market size but rather the available methods of shipping. UPS and FedEx won't ship what they define as ammunition into Canada. We went round and round with them over this issue. The discussion with FedEx involved their legal department. According to the FedEx legal department bullet are by definition a component of ammunition. As a component of ammunition they are restricted.

The Federal governments guidelines on this matter do not clearly define bullets as ammunition. However they also do not clearly define bullets as not being ammunition so it is left to the shipper to make an interpretation of the guidelines. We were not willing to take it to court so we simply ship all our Canadian orders through the US Postal Service. The USPS is not as convienient,you have to take the package to the local post office) and they do not have the same tracking capabilities as UPS or FedEx but they will get the package to your door.

Regards,
Eric Stecker
Berger Bullets

That is unfortunate that the major shippers look at it that way. US postal definately is the way to go but as mentioned it means the extra trip. It is amazing how much grief can be caused by using UPS or Fedex when something gets shipped into Canada.

I am at the point that I am prepared to find someone to do the US paperwork for me and I the Canadian side and find someone that I can have them shipped to in North Dakota within driving distance of Brandon. Even if it costs me a few extra dollars to the receiving party it would be worth it. As long as the paperwork is in order for the US authorities I am totally legal.


Calvin

 

[EricStecker]

Calvin,

We have a few Canadian dealers who make these kind of arrangements. If we can help in any way let me know.

Regards,
Eric

 

[cycbb486]

Thanks Eric. I will keep that in mind. At present I shoot the 88gr LDFB bullets out of my 6br and they are mighty fine. I have yet to try the 95 VLD and see if they will stabilize in my 10 twist??????????