Beltless 30 Newton

[Bamban]

I was gifted a bagful of unfired 30 Newton brass, now deciding what to do with them. If I could find a reamer, without waiting 4 to 6 months for new one, I might chamber a barrel.

If you have any experience loading for this cartridge, please chime in. Another possibility is the necked down 7mm version.

 

[centershot]

If you think 30 cases will suffice for your project, then go for it. Probably will not see any more in your life time. There was a .256 Newton that was a cool looking round. The rifle for it was great.

 

[Steve Blair]

If you think 30 cases will suffice for your project, then go for it. Probably will not see any more in your life time. There was a .256 Newton that was a cool looking round. The rifle for it was great.

OP said a "bagful" of .30 Newton, not 30 cases.
Apparently, they can be made from .375 Ruger cases.

 

[Bamban]

It's a cool looking case, almost looks like a longer PRC, with shoulder difference. It might be knocking on 300WM performance.

 

[Kurz]

https://4drentals.com/product/30375-ruger/

You will have to reference the .30 Newton dimension drawing to compare with the 4-D rental. Or call them to ask their opinion.

 

[Bamban]

Thanks, learning more about this cartridge. Mine are stamped Jamison.30 Newton.

 

[SKWERLZ]

Looks very similar to 300 prc!

 

[Bamban]

Looks very similar to 300 prc!
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Yes, it does. 30 Newton is just way ahead of its time. Curiosity is getting the best of me.

 

[Will Henry]

The 30 Newton has exactly the same capacity as the 308 Norma and shoots the same loads to the same velocity. In fact, the cartridges are so dimensionally similar that I can't help but think the people at Norma must have looked at the Newton offerings when they designed the 308 and 358 This is especially so in the case of the 358 Norma. My favorite load is 70 of 4350 behind a 180. Velocity is about 3050 with no drama. I have always maintained that the cartridge selection would be a lot different if Winchester had opted to chamber the Model 54 or Model 70 for the 30 Newton rather than the 300H&H. The Newton was a much better fit for the action and would not have required that the mag well be opened up and the action weakened as for the H&H.
If they had adopted the Newton, we would probably have never seen the 300H&H chambered in a domestic rifle. We also would never have seen the 264, 7mm Rem, 338, and certainly not the 300 Win.
Newton produced rifles for the 256, 30, and 35, but he had other cartridges designed as well. His 7mm was a different case, kind of like a 284 Win 2.5 inches long. The rest, a 33, 35, 375, and 40, were all based on the 30 case. I have drawings for all of these.
I had always hoped that Ruger would produce the 30 but it didn't happen. Too bad because, again, it is a perfect fit for the Ruger 77 action. I have one model 70 to which I have fitted five different barrels and one of them is a 30 newton. My 256 is built on a model 54. If anyone would like to gift me a bag of 30 Newton brass, that would be OK! WH

 

[Kurz]

First, there is the .30 Newton, developed from the parent round 11.2x72 Schuler. The Newton version was originally known as the 30 Adolph Express after Fred Adolph, a renowned gunsmith from Germany. Adolph’s idea was to neck down rimless German cartridges for greater velocity, and the only option for a rimless American cartridge at the time was the .30-06. The round is now largely considered obsolete, but was popular before World War II. Newton was the only person to sell weapons chambered for the round.


The other primary round made by Charles Newton is the 35 Newton. This was another rimless centerfire cartridge that Newton introduced in 1915, which took the 30 Newton case and necked it up to a .358 caliber. Newton then loaded this with 250-grain hollow point bullets.

https://ammo.com/articles/charles-newton-wildcatter-created-22-savage-250-savage-forgotten-history

I have always maintained that the cartridge selection would be a lot different if Winchester had opted to chamber the Model 54 or Model 70 for the 30 Newton rather than the 300H&H.
If they had adopted the Newton, we would probably have never seen the 300H&H chambered in a domestic rifle. We also would never have seen the 264, 7mm Rem, 338, and certainly not the 300 Win.

Thankfully Winchester showed some intelligence over nostalgia by using the H&H case instead of the Newton case. We have enjoyed the standard belted magnum cases for several decades both in availability and performance.

Newton tried valiantly to run the iterations his companies but all failed due to his lessor abilities of business management. The death knell was the Great Depression of course. We are not poorer because of the loss of the Newton cartridges since the manufacturers have continued their explorations of case designs. We can always draw conclusions as to where certain ideas originated although we are better served by moving forward.

Enjoy the search!

 

[Will Henry]

Winchester didn't use intelligence over nostalgia, they used intransigence over practicality. They were already producing cartridges in both 30 and 35 Newton. I suspect the real driver was the antipathy which the folks at Winchester felt toward Charles Newton, who may have been hard to like.
The pre-64 action was not, and is not, well suited for the H&H cartridges.
Yes, manufacturers have continued their exploration of case design; to the point that they have come very close to replicating Newton's cartridges; the origin of which were from Newton or Adolf; depending on whether you are American or German! Newton always claimed to be the designer while Adolf was the gunsmith. The Newton brass differs from the Schuler in that it does not feature a rebated rim. WH

 

[Bamban]

The 30 Newton has exactly the same capacity as the 308 Norma and shoots the same loads to the same velocity. In fact, the cartridges are so dimensionally similar that I can't help but think the people at Norma must have looked at the Newton offerings when they designed the 308 and 358 This is especially so in the case of the 358 Norma. My favorite load is 70 of 4350 behind a 180. Velocity is about 3050 with no drama. I have always maintained that the cartridge selection would be a lot different if Winchester had opted to chamber the Model 54 or Model 70 for the 30 Newton rather than the 300H&H. The Newton was a much better fit for the action and would not have required that the mag well be opened up and the action weakened as for the H&H.
If they had adopted the Newton, we would probably have never seen the 300H&H chambered in a domestic rifle. We also would never have seen the 264, 7mm Rem, 338, and certainly not the 300 Win.
Newton produced rifles for the 256, 30, and 35, but he had other cartridges designed as well. His 7mm was a different case, kind of like a 284 Win 2.5 inches long. The rest, a 33, 35, 375, and 40, were all based on the 30 case. I have drawings for all of these.
I had always hoped that Ruger would produce the 30 but it didn't happen. Too bad because, again, it is a perfect fit for the Ruger 77 action. I have one model 70 to which I have fitted five different barrels and one of them is a 30 newton. My 256 is built on a model 54. If anyone would like to gift me a bag of 30 Newton brass, that would be OK! WH

Thank you for the education.

The 185 Jugs or 176 A Tips should work well then, based on your favorite 180 load.