Are rear bag stabilizers allowed in F-class open?

[rain164845]

Are rear bag stabilizers allowed in F-class open? Like the Edgewood dead bottoms.
Thanks,
Joe

 

[280man]

yes they are. I can't quote the rule off the top of my head but I think it says that such things must be flat meaning no spikes that goes in the ground

 

[Taildrag15X]

yes they are. I can't quote the rule off the top of my head but I think it says that such things must be flat meaning no spikes that goes in the ground

NO THEY ARE NOT! PER THE NRA RULES, WHICH I THINK YOU BOTH SHOULD READ:

Complete High Power Rule Book:

http://www.nrahq.org/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-index.pdf

3.4.1 Rifle Rests -

(a) F-Class Open Rifle (F-O) - The rifle may be supported by any means which provide no positive
mechanical method for returning it to its precise point of aim for the prior shot. Subject to:

(1) No more than two rests may be used. If two rests are employed, they may not be attached to each
other.

(2) The use of any form of a table is prohibited. Separate flat boards or plates not exceeding the dimensions of the individual rests by two inches are allowed to be placed under the front and/or rear rests. See Rule 3.4.1(a)(1).

No leveling screws or protrusions are allowed on these boards or plates. They must be flat on the top and bottom.

This discipline is a modification of high power prone shooting, not a form of bench rest and should not
be construed as such.

Disabled competitors may apply to the NRA Protest Committee for appropriate dispensation.

The intent of this rule is to prevent the use of a table type device.

(3) A front rest may be employed for either the rifle’s fore-end or for the forward hand. If attached,
clamped, or held to the rifle, the front rest must be included in the rifle’s overall weight (Rule 3.4(a)).

(4) No portion of the rifle’s butt or pistol grip shall rest directly on the ground or on any hard surface.
Furthermore, any rear rest employed shall not be attached, clamped, or held onto the rifle in any
manner. Mechanically adjustable rear rests are not allowed.

(5) As an alternative to (3) or (4), the rifle may be rested on a simple central support such as a rolled jacket, towel, blanket, or groundsheet, or upon a sandbag or beanbag.

(6) Any number and type of objects may be placed beneath each rest to compensate for variations in the height of the slope of the firing point or to reduce its rolling.

(7) The front rest or base may have up to three spiked feet which may be pressed into the ground by no more than 50mm (approximately 2 inches) provided this causes no significant harm to the firing point.

(8) Rests may be adjusted after any shot to compensate for rest movement or settling. A sling may be used in conjunction with the rest(s), but its weight will be included in the rifle’s overall weight (Rule
3.4(a)).


This should never make it past Tech. or any Line Judge/Jury Member.

 

[AusFclass]

what about rule number 6??

6) Any number and type of objects may be placed beneath each rest to compensate for variations in the height of the slope of the firing point or to reduce its rolling.

all depends on the RO you get on the day

 

[Erik Cortina]

And also #5,

the rifle may be rested on a simple central support such as a rolled jacket, towel, blanket, or groundsheet, or upon a sandbag or beanbag.

I have yet to see a rolled jacket, towel, or blanket with a flat bottom!

There always seems to be confusion with the rules, someone told me the other day that free recoil wasn't allowed in F-Class either! ??? But we know it is!

 

[Taildrag15X]

And also #5,

the rifle may be rested on a simple central support such as a rolled jacket, towel, blanket, or groundsheet, or upon a sandbag or beanbag.

I have yet to see a rolled jacket, towel, or blanket with a flat bottom!

There always seems to be confusion with the rules, someone told me the other day that free recoil wasn't allowed in F-Class either! ??? But we know it is!

AusFclass,
To answer you question about Rule #6 you need to refer to Rule 3.4.1 (2)

(2) The use of any form of a table is prohibited. Separate flat boards or plates not exceeding the dimensions of the individual rests by two inches are allowed to be placed under the front and/or rear rests.

The any number means just that, 2, 3, 6 how ever many spacers Flat Boards or Plates it takes to make up for the uneven ground of the firing point.

The type means wood, plastic, steel....the material of the Flat Boards or Plates

Now to answer the quote here:

It is not the complete Rule, only part of it.

(5) As an alternative to (3) or (4), the rifle may be rested on a simple central support such as a rolled jacket, towel, blanket, or groundsheet, or upon a sandbag or beanbag.

That means you are only have 1 Central Rest, not a Front & Rear, Rule #2 would apply to the use of any items placed underneath to make up for the unlevel ground.



Erik,

The use of Free Recoil is known through out the Benchrest World but has no place in NRA High Power as it is stated in the Rulebook.

"The rifle must be fired in the prone position from the shoulder of the competitor using rifle rests as defined in Rule 3.4.1(a)."


This discipline is a modification of high power prone shooting, not a form of bench rest and should not be construed as such.

I see new Forum members posting about shooting F Benchrest more and more, when did that start and who's the governing body?


Wishing that Open Class was Front Rest with sling and F/TR was Bi Pod with sling and no Rear suport for either. That would level the playing field out!

 

[280man]

Mr Taildrag
Are you on the rules committee? You seem to know a awful lot about them. And would you quit yelling at me.

 

[FroggyOne2]

Where is he yelling?

 

[Erik Cortina]

I do fire my rifle from the shoulder, so what if the stock is 1/4" away from my shoulder?

Taildrag, they already have a sling class, why do you want two more?

 

[280man]

He likes to use his capslock

 

[DBailey]

Mr Taildrag
Are you on the rules committee? You seem to know a awful lot about them. And would you quit yelling at me.

Well Rick, if you would read the rule book as advised you wouldn't have this problem. ;D

LMAO! Sorry buddy, I just couldn't resist.

 

[smoking-brass]

F-class is like nascar.... it's ok until you get caught! Come on guys the rules are very plain...I don't know why people have to push the envelope...
Taildrag is right follow the rules... and guys he runs all our registerd matches and does a great job! We have had very little problems...because everyone has a copy of the F-class rules given to them and if there's any questions they are resolved during registration and weight in.
Eric come on... you were the F-class National Champ a few years ago...free recoil
The eyes of Texas are upon you! ;D

 

[RIFLE1]

ahhhh,... remember the days when F class wasn't even seen as a legitimate competition by other position shooters?

Oh we have come so far,.......

I think sometime in an effort to legitamize our individual shooting discipline, we "rule" ourselves into oblivion,...

 

[280man]

Thanks David ya I've never seen a rule book can't read anyway so it wouldn't matter

 

[JeffT]

I don't think it is stated in the rules that you can not use a bag stabilizer (ie: a leather sand filled spacer or a hunk of leather just like the bottom of the rear bag) I have been using one since 2001 and have never been questioned about it. This was in matches from club level, state champ., national champ, and world champ. no where is any material to be used stated for the spacer. If there was, all that would need to be done is glue the stabilizer to the rear bag, then it is part of the bag.

As for free recoil, use a soft butt pad, just touch it to your shoulder, then it is fired from the shoulder.

what year was Erik national champ?

flame away

 

[Erik Cortina]

Eric come on... you were the F-class National Champ a few years ago...free recoil
The eyes of Texas are upon you! ;D

Somebody owes me a trophy! LOL

I have not been a National Champion... yet!

 

[memilanuk]

Mike,

It sounds like you are construing 3.4.1(a)(2) as applying to everything under the rest, not just plates/boards. I don't disagree with you on how it applies to boards/plates/tables, but I'm pretty sure the use of bag stabilizers or other non-board items is covered by 3.4.1(a)(6). If I'm thinking of the right item in terms of a 'rear bag stabilizer' i.e. 'prairie dog life raft', I've seen them used at numerous state, regional and national championships as Jeff Traylor indicated.

Monte

 

[Killshot]

6) Any number and type of objects may be placed beneath each rest to compensate for variations in the height of the slope of the firing point or to reduce its rolling.

(2) The use of any form of a table is prohibited. Separate flat boards or plates not exceeding the dimensions of the individual rests by two inches are allowed to be placed under the front and/or rear rests.

Reads like spacers are legal....

See them at every match I shoot.