Any good Mil/Mil scopes for F-Class?

[Grimstod]

So grew up on MOA scopes but was never able to master them.

Then I switched for the most part to Mil/Mil scopes and loved them.

Now this sumer I purchased a Leopold 40x45 and have been using it all summer. I have to say though I have wrestled with these MOA turrets all summer and I hate them. Are there any Mil/Mil scopes that are good for IBS and F-Class?

 

[Sniper338]

No. I tried. Majority of mil mil scoes dont go above 25x.

I started f class with one...

Then I bought a march HM 10-60 3/32 dot...

Target scope makes a heck of a difference.. its in 1/8th moa, so you can adjust the scope finer...

Moa and mil are too big of an adjustment when target shooting. I always had to hold off because my bullet impact was between clicks/adjustment, so I never could fine tune dead nuts on..

 

[XTR]

The problem with mil turrets on an F class target is that the target is laid out in ½ MOA rings, so when you look at the targets and make corrections you think in MOA. I've coached at least three different shooters who came to the line with mil scopes. When they put the first sighter in the 7 ring and I tell them to put another 1½ left on the scope and hold 2 left it immediately goes sideways. Now I'm trying to do the 1:3 mil/moa conversion in my head to get them centered up.

I use mil/mil scopes on all of my hunting or tactical rigs, but in NRA shooting the targets are laid out in MOA rings. Get an MOA scope.

 

[Grimstod]

So if I get some MOA targets to practice with these headaches should go away?

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

As XTR said, NRA matches are an MOA game. At long range, the target board is 7MOA across and 7MOA vertical, or close enough to it. The rings are laid out as follows: X-ring: 5inches across or about 0.5MOA; 10-ring: 10 inches across or about 1MOA or better yet half an MOA from the X-ring. The 9-ring: 20 inches across or 2MOA or a half MOA from the 10-ring. The 8-ring is 30 inches across or 3MOA or a half MOA from the 9 ring.

If you hit anywhere on the target, I can tell you how much to correct and in which direction, in MOA.

When I qualify people for the 1000 yard range, I always dread having to deal with someone who has a mil-scope. Mils are great for ranging and varying distances. We don't have that in F-Class.

Behind the firing line, all F-class competitors are talking MOA, because that's what the targets are all about.

Corrected the numbers as per below.

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

So if I get some MOA targets to practice with these headaches should go away?

No. You'll just get new ones.

 

[XTR]

So if I get some MOA targets to practice with these headaches should go away?

Whether it's practice or shooting matches, all the NRA targets are MOA rings. You have to teach yourself to see the wind in MOA or rings to shoot will on them.

When you look at a 1000 yard target, the outside edge of the 9 ring is 1MOA from the center of the target. The 8 ring is 1½ MOA. Like a lot of things it just takes practice to read the wind in the units.

 

[memilanuk]

At long range, the target board is 6MOA across and 6MOA vertical, or close enough to it.

More like seven minutes each way...

 

[Turbulent Turtle]

More like seven minutes each way...

Yep. You're right. 72 inches. 6 feet.

 

[rotts4u]

Sightron makes the 10-50x60mm SVSS with a mil/mil (actually .05mil turret) but as stated above you will end up hating it for F class. Its a really good scope with great glass etc but the rings on the target are MOA and so will be your scorer and everyone else at the match except you. I still have my SVSS but now compete with a March high Master in MOA turrets and a small center dot

 

[fm1947]

Vortexx Golden Eagle in MOA http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-golden-eagle-hd-ecr-1-moa-riflescope

 

[DirtySteve]

Don't be afraid to make a cheat sheet with information you may need, such as the amount to correct for each ring value and place it on your mat while at the line. Throw one in the 9 nine glance at your note pad and make the correction. after a few matches it will be second nature to dial in the correct dope. Plus it will take the stress off of you and allow you to focus on wind and shooting.

 

[JBT47]

Look at the March FX 5-40x56 (mil/mil). This scope has a very nice reticle...it also has .05 mil clicks rather than .1 mil. I’ve owned two of them and I believe they are fantastic.

 

[phlegm]

So grew up on MOA scopes but was never able to master them.

Then I switched for the most part to Mil/Mil scopes and loved them.

Now this sumer I purchased a Leopold 40x45 and have been using it all summer. I have to say though I have wrestled with these MOA turrets all summer and I hate them. Are there any Mil/Mil scopes that are good for IBS and F-Class?

http://www.nightforceoptics.com/nxs/8-32x56 comes with Mil-Dot or MIL-R, and there's the promo for a free Ruger 10/22.

 

[fm1947]

So grew up on MOA scopes but was never able to master them.

Then I switched for the most part to Mil/Mil scopes and loved them.

Now this sumer I purchased a Leopold 40x45 and have been using it all summer. I have to say though I have wrestled with these MOA turrets all summer and I hate them. Are there any Mil/Mil scopes that are good for IBS and F-Class?

What bothers you with MOA it is easier math than milling I have two 45x leupold seems simple to me, just curious.

 

[Grimstod]

What bothers you with MOA it is easier math than milling I have two 45x leupold seems simple to me, just curious.

I have one 40x Leupold myself. Its that the clicks are not the same unit as the Mil. The mil is just a lot easier to use especially at multiple ranges. Also everything is devisable by 10 in Mils. Really easy to do the math in my head. Moa not so easy. All those darn fractions. I even hated fractions in high school. Was glad we never used the fraction in business classes.

 

[fm1947]

Got it my wife is terrible with fractions also , I think sometimes it seems harder than what it is but both are simple math.

 

[XTR]

For the majority of the people in the world, using a base 10 system that uses 0.1 changes is easier than a base 60 system that typically uses ¼ changes, except when they are 1/8 or ½.

If I'm shooting on NRA targets I want MOA knobs because the target is in MOA, but every other scope I use is in mils.

 

[Geno C]

S&B
12.5-50x56 Field Target II

It's available in MIL. I'm with the other guys on the fact that since the targets are laid out in MOA it's just simpler to make quick adjustments.

 

[243Mendoza]

For the majority of the people in the world, using a base 10 system that uses 0.1 changes is easier than a base 60 system that typically uses ¼ changes, except when they are 1/8 or ½.

If I'm shooting on NRA targets I want MOA knobs because the target is in MOA, but every other scope I use is in mils.

It depends if you prefer American units of inches or European units of centimeters