Another Basic Question (Part 2) - Why weigh and sort brass?

[privateer]

Thank you for everyone who responded to my initial question. It has been most informative.

For part 2 - If I do decide to weigh and sort brass, what kind of variance do you guys usually use to group the brass? (i.e. 180 grains +/- 0.5 grains, 0.2 grains, ???)

Thx.

 

[cmillard]

for starters, i usually go in grain increments. for instance .223 rem, i will sort 92.0-92.9, 93.0-93.9, 94.0-94.9.......i will fireform the brass then check for runout. i will take a permanent marker and mark the bottom of the case if it has .003+ runout. for my 6BR, i do a little tighter weight seg. i will do .3-.5 grain increments when sorting.

 

[jwv2001]

Your time would be better spent just learning to be a better shot. Learn better shooting bench technique. Shooting technique and variations of wind and weather will have more effect on your accuracy than the weight of your brass.

 

[cmillard]

jwv2001, your comment is correct, but, ammo consistency is a very big factor in accurate shooting. so, then, taking out poorly loaded ammo to the range on a windy day will help shooting good groups? no. correctly and consistent ammo can only help your shooting. weight segregation is just one of many ways to improve shot to shot consistency.

 

[jwv2001]

weight segregation is just one of many ways to improve shot to shot consistency.

I don't believe that, for all of the reasons put forward by Ackman in the previous thread. Weight sorting is just another myth/old wives tale like barrel break in.

 

[necchi]

I don't believe that, for all of the reasons put forward by Ackman in the previous thread. Weight sorting is just another myth/old wives tale like barrel break in.

Consistant ammo is a HUGE deal, it's the primary reason I began loading.
If someone what's too eliminate as many variables as possible, let'm.



modified to remove inappropriate comments to the thread, necchi

 

[SS427]

Sorting brass by weight will give you brass of the same weight with different volume capacities. I've done it more than once and I saw no accuracy improvements.

I question barrel break in too. I do it. But I wonder if it makes any difference.

No arguement about consistent ammo though. Even a lousy shot will shoot a smaller group with consistent accurate ammo.

 

[Ackman]

I don't believe that, for all of the reasons put forward by Ackman in the previous thread. Weight sorting is just another myth/old wives tale like barrel break in.

Barrel Break in is a myth too? Wow!

What's "barrel break in"? Is that something I have to do? Gosh.

 

[necchi]

What's "barrel break in"? Is that something I have to do? Gosh.

Na, you don't hafta do anything,,just shoot it and clean it.

But you will see that it shoots a little better after a few hunderd rounds or so.
Ya know? After it's broke in

 

[Ackman]

What's "barrel break in"? Is that something I have to do? Gosh.

Na, you don't hafta do anything,,just shoot it and clean it.

But you will see that it shoots a little better after a few hunderd rounds or so.
Ya know? After it's broke in

Reeeeelly? Well damn, you're an authority on this stuff aintcha? So to know for absolute sure.....first you see how a gun shoots, then "break it in" and see how it shoots that way? Or do you "break it in," shoot it, then un-"break it in" and compare them? Or does it get "broke in" by just shooting?

 

[necchi]

Sorry privateer, I had no intention of moving your topic into some sarcastic exchange,
But I guess Ackman needs someone to pick on, he didn't like the last topic so it seems he's willing to twist this one too.
And sorry to you too Ackman,,I'm not gonna play. I'm here to learn and share and I'm a relativley new poster, but I've been reading here for a long time,,and you sure do use alot of bandwidth running others down, your usually one of the first to jump in and tell someone their wrong. : Save it, it's like water off a duck.
I'm not shooting 2K BR guns with custom fully lapped bores. Besides it's not the topic. If you want to discuss your ideals of whatever you guys call break in, maybe you and jwv can start another topic. ;D
Niether one of you have added anything constructive here and niether have I.
And I apoligize again to the OP and other members, I inadvertedly started this..

 

[cmillard]

there is a reason why benchrest shooters are so picky when it comes to consistency of their taylor made loads. and there is a reason why they are shooting really, really small groups.

 

[jwv2001]

Necchi wrote,
Sorry privateer, I had no intention of moving your topic into some sarcastic exchange,

You were the only reason this thread was sarcastic. You started off being sarcastic to my post which you then deleted and then in your so called apology you blamed Ackman for the thread and then sarcastically added the rolling eyes. As a matter of fact, you were the only one that had nothing to add to this thread but your dumb comments.
Millard, The reason the BR shooters shoot tiny groups is because the are shooting $5K rifles with great bullets. They know how to shoot using their wind flags to read conditions and hold off, not by weighing their brass.

 

[privateer]

for starters, i usually go in grain increments. for instance .223 rem, i will sort 92.0-92.9, 93.0-93.9, 94.0-94.9.......i will fireform the brass then check for runout. i will take a permanent marker and mark the bottom of the case if it has .003+ runout. for my 6BR, i do a little tighter weight seg. i will do .3-.5 grain increments when sorting.

thanks cmillard. that's what I was looking for.

I am very new to this. I do practice shooting every chance I get, but not near as as often as I would like to.

And since I have to reload to shoot again anyway, I am looking for as much info as I can to further my education in this sport. I may not be a good enough shooter yet to tell the difference if it matters to my shooting or not, but learning the whys, why nots, and different theories all help me further my understanding...

Again thanks to all for your input in this post and my other "basic question" posts.

 

[Johnboy]

if its any help makeing brass is alot like makeing a bottle.the stretch rod can give out different spec's from the inside of the case.or even the the thickness of the brass that comes off the coils its rolled up on.its all about control and how the machine was set up along with the thickness of the brass.if one or two are not the same you get different specs.even if the machine has to be worked on will get you different specs.so I think the weight differences come from the head of the brass.

this is why I do not worry about weighing my brass.the prepping steps and how I load each case is what I worry about.like my weighing of the powder,and seatting depth.