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Alliant Powder Future Distribution Question

Some on another site said alliant is getting out of selling powder as a componant. I am skeptical that is correct and that in reality availability will just be low priority compared to production for loaded ammo.

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There is a deal in progress for the sale of Vista Outdoor Ammo and powder business to Czechoslovak Group. They will continue to sell ammo and powders.
 
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It would be difficult to imagine, as most (all?) of their product is out sourced from powder manufacturers - Bofors, Swiss Powder, etc. Do they manufacture powder?

Maybe they are geting out of powder and planning to rebrand Asian scopes.....yawn
 
Alliant Powder falls under the Vista Outdoor company's sporting units division and vista outdoor is selling its sporting units division to a Czech company ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovak_Group ).


Czechoslovak Group has been heavily involved in supplying arms and ammo to Ukraine.
 
Alliant rifle powders come from three sources:

Eurenco Bofors in Sweden (most Reloder grades)

Nitrochemie Wimmis in Switzerland, half owned by the large German-Swiss RUAG armaments group (minority of Reloder powders such as Re17, 33 and 50)

General Dynamics, St. Marks Powder Co. Florida (ball type grades only, primarily the Power Pro range).

Bofors and Nitrochemie are fully occupied in military contracts and aren't supplying handloading grades to any great extent (or maybe at all) right now for the foreseeable future. (Most Nitrochemie handloading products and the majority of their output to this market are sold in Europe under the Reload Swiss brand name; Alliant had asked for more in the past in more normal times and been refused as the company had no spare capacity.)

Not all the military contracts are for Ukraine, perhaps not a majority in fact. 'Friend' Putin has kicked over a hornet's nest and any European country that cares for its security is rearming and increasing ammunition stocks right now. This applies particularly to Sweden, Denmark and Finland who (understandably) feel extremely threatened by their Russian neighbour after February 2022. Sweden and Finland have joined NATO too. That's where Norma (also Eurenco Bofors), Alliant and Nitrochemie output is going.
 
Well that's really disappointing! I have been using Re33 in my 338Imp, Re23 in a 6.5x55 Walley with great success. I'm sure there are other powders I can make work. Hopefully that changes in a few years when I run out.
 
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Alliant rifle powders come from three sources:

Eurenco Bofors in Sweden (most Reloder grades)

Nitrochemie Wimmis in Switzerland, half owned by the large German-Swiss RUAG armaments group (minority of Reloder powders such as Re17, 33 and 50)

General Dynamics, St. Marks Powder Co. Florida (ball type grades only, primarily the Power Pro range).

Bofors and Nitrochemie are fully occupied in military contracts and aren't supplying handloading grades to any great extent (or maybe at all) right now for the foreseeable future. (Most Nitrochemie handloading products and the majority of their output to this market are sold in Europe under the Reload Swiss brand name; Alliant had asked for more in the past in more normal times and been refused as the company had no spare capacity.)

Not all the military contracts are for Ukraine, perhaps not a majority in fact. 'Friend' Putin has kicked over a hornet's nest and any European country that cares for its security is rearming and increasing ammunition stocks right now. This applies particularly to Sweden, Denmark and Finland who (understandably) feel extremely threatened by their Russian neighbour after February 2022. Sweden and Finland have joined NATO too. That's where Norma (also Eurenco Bofors), Alliant and Nitrochemie output is going.
As always Laurie .. BRILLIANT! To many people over here are not aware of what truly is going on in Europe. AND THE FEAR THEY HAVE OF THE RUSSIAN BEAR. as they have experienced Russian savagery first hand. Also how bare the cupboards are of ammunition (artillery and small arms) in NATO and European armies.
We are living in interesting times so get used to the "new normal" for awhile unfortunately.
AND BE SURE TO VOTE IN NOVEMBER!!!
Rant off..
 
The supply chain crimp from the pandemic showed us in the US our tenuous fragility in powder. War is the follow on, and a second new one has just begun.

I think almost all the powders we use are from those facilities Laurie identifies, as well as from Australia, Hodgdon’s source.

We are the world’s dependent desert isle when it comes to civilian powder. There’s a business model lurking somewhere in this angst.

I have been a diehard user of RE 25 in particular. But when Alliant goes dark, if it did, unlike Lapua’s pause, we just have to figure it out. I phased in H-1000 2+ years ago. Retailer price hikes, probably of sputtering supply existing in the pipeline are a clue.

Our only consolation in the US is we that can literally purchase all the powder we can afford, or can find, which I understand is not allowed in other countries. It is not cheap anymore, but we can stock up, and/or we can load ammo in quantity.

—- I’ll join the group that criticizes hoarders, when that group talks down this country throwing treasure, material, and troops into every timezone while it frets over government shutdown from insurmountable debt.

How big regional fights become I sense is becoming a function of how much aid the US is perceived as willing throw in. Who’s standing behind me in the schoolyard. This country can always make more, right?

To other countries in the category shall we say of new found friends, there are some basic choices we all learned in school, - you can hit the gym yourself, or you can study up on diplomacy. When it’s YOUR next door neighbor that’s the issue, and always will be, factor that in as things escalate, maybe? —-
 
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We as reloaders are mere pittance users to the powder companies at large other than hodgon. welcome to the realities of business. Much of what we have been using are military surplus from what I understand.

Just for a minute guess how much powder a 155 mm howitzer uses to fire one round. I suspect the answer is in pounds for US people.
 
I Emailed Alliant Monday and asked about RL16 they said it is still made and being shipped. But they did not offer to sell me any ---Gary
I was at my local store yesterday and saw RL-16 in 8# jugs as well as some others.
as nice as some of the reloder series powder are, i have no interest in them as their volatility in stock and price. i’ve already switched over to all viht powders.
The writing has been on the wall for some time now as to availability and corporate greed. I too have switched and purged my cabinet of hodgdon and alliant. Not playing the game. I'm good for years to come. Redeveloped new loads for most all of my guns for the new powders and quite happy. I enjoy load development
 

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