Accutrigger (Ghasp!)

[ar15topgun]

The problem with the evolution trigger is you have to send your rifle to SSS and have them install it.

Once you use the evolution trigger on your Savage action, you don't want anything else!

I had SSS install 4 of the evolution triggers on my actions. Turn around time was quick for just the trigger!

How long have you had this trigger installed and how many times has the gun been fired/dry fired and have you had the need to re-adjust the trigger over time/firings?

 

[nosualc]

Sleepygator,

I know that a 2-stage trigger for Savage is possible and need only to be prototyped. A 2-Stage trigger can be set for single stage, but never down to the '2 ounces" type...
Such a trigger would be a fully-machined one, not of the cheap stamping models. Is the customship ready to accept that?.. I understand Savage's major point is price?..
R.G.C

The Target model Savages are not inexpensive and, by the time they are ready for competition, there is usually a significant investment. That said, the potential market volume for a quality trigger system, like your designs, is probably not very large. I have a CG Model 22 on a Borden actioned Eliseo and appreciate the design features. I also have a number of Jewell triggers on differently purposed rifles, where they are very effective. It is my feeling that a shooter sufficiently serious to consider a CG would have already chosen an action other than Savage, probably custom. Just my .02€.

Maybe so, but if a decent trigger were available for the Savage PTA, there would be that much less reason to get a full on custom action.

Speaking for myself: I bought a Savage PTA as a reasonably priced way to get into long range competitive shooting that was quick to obtain as well. I have modified or upgraded almost everything about it, but my options for a decent trigger have been less than satisfactory. No complaints, I knew what I was getting into and I learned a lot along the way.

I would however, gladly pay top dollar for for a high quality, match grade, safe trigger. There are at least 5 other PTAs used at my weekly f-class league who's owners would likely do the same. I know some have experimented with the available alternatives and found them lacking, as have I.

I expect many who've bought the Savage target rifles have stories similar to mine and would be in the market. How many PTAs does Savage sell a year?

-nosualc

 

[Steve Blair]

Maybe so, but if a decent trigger were available for the Savage PTA, there would be that much less reason to get a full on custom action.

Speaking for myself: I bought a Savage PTA as a reasonably priced way to get into long range competitive shooting that was quick to obtain as well. I have modified or upgraded almost everything about it, but my options for a decent trigger have been less than satisfactory. No complaints, I knew what I was getting into and I learned a lot along the way.

I would however, gladly pay top dollar for for a high quality, match grade, safe trigger. There are at least 5 other PTAs used at my weekly f-class league who's owners would likely do the same. I know some have experimented with the available alternatives and found them lacking, as have I.

I expect many who've bought the Savage target rifles have stories similar to mine and would be in the market. How many PTAs does Savage sell a year?

-nosualc

I understand what you are saying but number of rifles sold does not equate to number of relatively expensive triggers sold. I have two Savage 12F rifles and have done everything imaginable improving them. One performed pretty well for me in F-T/R but has been replaced with a BAT 3L that is so much better that it is not worth the discussion. The bare action alone also cost more than either 12F. By the time I finished modifying one of the 12F rifles, I had about $2100 in it without scope and bipod. The BAT was about $3150 in the same condition.

Robert's triggers are excellent and have more features than a Jewell. My CG Mod. 22 is great, either as two-stage or single-stage. I just don't think that many Savage shooters would pop $300 for a trigger they might have trouble adjusting.

 

[DennisH]

How long have you had this trigger installed and how many times has the gun been fired/dry fired and have you had the need to re-adjust the trigger over time/firings?

Not long, 300 rounds at most on one of them! ??? ??? ???

 

[ar15topgun]

Precisely, report back after dry firing a few thousand times plus 1500-2000 rounds down range. I pretty certain your outcome will be the same as others. Not being mean just stating results.

 

[82boy]

My first evolution trigger has been on a couple of years and has gone through 4 barrels, (Estimated 6000+ rounds) and never had a problem, never needed adjusted, and never once had a slam fire, or a miss fire, and still breaks at 2oz. My second one is falling right in line with the first with 2 barrels.

 

[NHgunNut]

I drafted a pretty sweet and safe trigger design yesterday because Im the type that if i cant get something easy and at a decent price i do it myself. My design ended up being very similar to the Evolution trigger, but being able to use the stock safety set-up and having a cam-shaped weight behind the trigger to push the trigger further into engagement if the rifle was dropped.

 

[Robert]

I drafted a pretty sweet and safe trigger design yesterday because Im the type that if i cant get something easy and at a decent price i do it myself. My design ended up being very similar to the Evolution trigger, but being able to use the stock safety set-up and having a cam-shaped weight behind the trigger to push the trigger further into engagement if the rifle was dropped.

Many triggers designs works better than OEMs on paper, but does not ssurvive prototyping and/or live testing....

As long as it has not been put on an action and dry fired 000s times, little can be said.

Sorry to refresh your enthusiasm.
R.G.C

 

[noload]

I have 2 savage actions with accu-triggers. Both trip at 4-5 oz. I have shot 10,000 rds between the both of them and have found a sweet spot on the setting. My friends have a problem shooting them. But if you don't slam the bolt hard they work fine. I too have thought about a Bat and jewel, I just can't get past the math.... 1 Bat + jewel = 3 Sav accu's.

 

[NHgunNut]

Yeah im very budget minded and I love the savage bargain. I have a target trigger on it's way from a forum member, so I should be all set now!

 

[LorenC]

Savage has been making some real end user conscious decisions lately it seems. One, that would have increased sales more than the accutrigger, would have been to make the rifles able to use the rem style triggers, eps. Jewel. I don't know how much of a change around that would be but it would probably be worth it.
I have an old Savage long action that people would have to see to believe the small groups it would fire after looking at the inletting and trigger! Such horrible work on both it's incredible it made it out the door. There's a trigger sale waiting to happen, but old style is a different story almost. Almost because it put a bad taste in my mouth on buying a rifle I can't get a bench quality trigger for.
The way it stands now I'm coming up on a build, or rifle in the next several months. A Jewel for Savages will sway that decision heavily.

 

[82boy]

Savage has been making some real end user conscious decisions lately it seems. One, that would have increased sales more than the accutrigger, would have been to make the rifles able to use the rem style triggers, eps. Jewel. I don't know how much of a change around that would be but it would probably be worth it.

To do it would require a complete redesign of the entire action. Savage sell more hunting rifles than anything else, most hunters are happy with what is offered. The target rifle market is a super slim small part of the entire sales. I would imagine that Savage would tell anyone that wanted a Remington trigger on their gun to go out and buy a Remington.

 

[LorenC]

That's true but configuring to fit a Jewel doesn't mean it can't be a hunting gun with applicable trigger. They have made a lot of changes over the years, making one that would boost sales and useability such a large amount would be high on my priorities eons ago if I was a higher up.

 

[ar15topgun]

As mentioned the sear is the main difference between the standard, and target accu-trigger guns. The sears are same in the way they fit the gun, but the target accu-trigger is cut at a different angle. The target accu-trigger sear is identified by a small dimple just under the bolt release/cocking indicator flag. So to answer your question yes the target accu-trigger set up will fit your standard accu-trigger rifle. The problem is savage will not sell the target accu-trigger parts so your only hope is to find someone that has removed their entire set up.

The Jewel trigger (That was developed for the Savage rifle.) is highly complicated, and needs to be installed by a gunsmith. (Like Arnold Jewel originally did.) The trigger was abandoned due to cost, and compeating against other aftermart, and target accu triggers. The Jewel trigger had no safety, (Or safety feature as the OP desires.) and at lowest setting would only go down to 3-4 oz. Do to the need for a true competition trigger Sharp Shooters Supply stepped up to the plate and developed the "Evolution" trigger. It is a 3 lever design, and the ones I have break at 2oz. The downside is the trigger also needs to be installed by a gunsmith, and cost. It also doesn't have a safety or safety feature that is found on a accu trigger. ( As the OP is requesting.) There has also been a few people that have modified Remington Jewel triggers to fit Savage rifles, and they work fine.

Two questions: 1) are you sure that the evolution trigger can be bought and installed by your gunsmith since according to the SSS websight the trigger must be installed by SSS and 2) who do you know that can fit a jewel trigger to my savage action? As I stated before I don't mind spending $300.00 for a reliable trigger that will break low in weight(ie 2-8oz.) every time and will hold up over time. I pay this much for barrels plus chambering cost and they only last for x number of rounds.

 

[82boy]

[quote author=ar15topgun [/quote]Two questions: 1) are you sure that the evolution trigger can be bought and installed by your gunsmith since according to the SSS websight the trigger must be installed by SSS and 2) who do you know that can fit a jewel trigger to my savage action? As I stated before I don't mind spending $300.00 for a reliable trigger that will break low in weight(ie 2-8oz.) every time and will hold up over time. I pay this much for barrels plus chambering cost and they only last for x number of rounds.
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Answer to question #1 only SSS can and will install an Evolution trigger. When Jewel was testing their Savage prototype, it was the same deal, only available through SSS and must be installed by SSS.

Question #2 you will have to find someone that is ingenious enough to fit a Remington 700 Jewel trigger to a Savage. I have seen it done a couple of times and it can be done, but it takes a ton of work.

 

[ar15topgun]

I was afraid that you were going to say that the evolution trigger can be installed by SSS. I sent them an email last week asking about turn around time and if I can just send the action to have the trigger installed. I haven't heard a word from them as of yet so I can't help but think that I am looking at several months to have this don't instead of just 2-3 weeks. Doesn't make me feel better either if one will not take the time to answer an email.

 

[tiny68]

If you want the best of the Savage design and the utility of Remington triggers (e.g. - Jewels), then take a look at Shilens new DGR/DGV actions. You get the barrel nut with the same threads as the standard Savage plus the floating bolt head with much tighter tolerances than a factory Savage. Plus it fits a short action Remington style stocks.

I am disappointed to have not seen any reviews of these new actions in use. I planned to make it to the Shilen swap meet last year and get to touch one. Family matters changed that plan. I will try again this spring (assuming there will be a Shilen Swap meet in 2012). At $950 is seems like a lot, but I am willing to make that investment. I have over $750 in my Savage target action that has been T&T and has an Evolution trigger. Not that much difference and I could use a Jewel plus have the flexible of choices with Remmie style stocks.

If anyone has hand-ons on feedback with a DVG/DVR action, please share with me.

Thanks, Tim