7mm08 for hunter bench rest
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I am not a HBR shooter, but the big problem with the 7mm is a very small selection of custom bullets. One good reason to shoot the 30. Just a thought.
JOe
JOe
I will go in 260 REM with a better match bullet choice and a proven accuracy
7.08 was design for silhouette shooting in the 70/80's, it s now over perform by 260 REM
in more wildcat chamber that 260, the 6.5/250 Savage is very accurate and less powerfull than 260 for just 100/200
good shooting
DAN TEC
7.08 was design for silhouette shooting in the 70/80's, it s now over perform by 260 REM
in more wildcat chamber that 260, the 6.5/250 Savage is very accurate and less powerfull than 260 for just 100/200
good shooting
DAN TEC
that right 45 grain of water is the minimum after that just a choice between accuracy /wind drift and bore size
from
30x47 with light bullet = big bore small case / light recoil
7.08 regular chamber easy to load but bullet ???
6x44, bench rest accuracy good bullet but case forming request
that just a choice problem
from my personnal point of view I will go in 6.5 cal with small case as 308
6.5 PRL, 6.5x55 run to 308 lenght can be a good choice ) with 0.292 neck and short throat for 120 SMK
6.5/250 too
even 6.5/7/30 Waters with a rim turn to fit 308 bolt can be a very accurate cartridge in bolt action
in 6 mm I will use
a 6x44, check article on this website )
a 6 Rampage wich is a 6PPC run deep and use 6.5 Arisaka case
a 6XC with tighter chamber specs
good shooting
DAN TEC
from
30x47 with light bullet = big bore small case / light recoil
7.08 regular chamber easy to load but bullet ???
6x44, bench rest accuracy good bullet but case forming request
that just a choice problem
from my personnal point of view I will go in 6.5 cal with small case as 308
6.5 PRL, 6.5x55 run to 308 lenght can be a good choice ) with 0.292 neck and short throat for 120 SMK
6.5/250 too
even 6.5/7/30 Waters with a rim turn to fit 308 bolt can be a very accurate cartridge in bolt action
in 6 mm I will use
a 6x44, check article on this website )
a 6 Rampage wich is a 6PPC run deep and use 6.5 Arisaka case
a 6XC with tighter chamber specs
good shooting
DAN TEC
JOHN708
Silver $$ Contributor
I've shot out 2 708 barrels shooting ATC and LR from distances from 100 to 1000yds. Excellent accuracy and good barrel life, 3000+ rds. However, You won't be able able to drive high BC bullets, 162-180 gr. much past 2600-2700 fps. The 264 bullets BC's are lower,but they can be driven at a higher velocity, pretty much eliminating the 284's BC advantage.
Two years ago I switched to the 260 Rem. and never looked back. I'm currently on my 3rd barrel. The accuracy is slightly better than my 708's. I,ve actually seen slightly better wind bucking ability at 1000yds along with less recoil. As a result my scores improved substantially. I'd go with the 260 Rem.
John
Two years ago I switched to the 260 Rem. and never looked back. I'm currently on my 3rd barrel. The accuracy is slightly better than my 708's. I,ve actually seen slightly better wind bucking ability at 1000yds along with less recoil. As a result my scores improved substantially. I'd go with the 260 Rem.
John
AlNyhus
Silver $$ Contributor
260guy:
The 7-08 is a fine round, but cannot compete with the .30's in todays HBR competition. The .30's rule for a lot of reasons. With the various twist/bullet weight.30 cal. combos being proven winners, anything else is a serious upstream swim against pretty fast moving water.
If you're just entering the HBR wars, I would sure go with a proven combo that will allow you to develop as a shooter and move into 'experimental mode' a bit later.
Just my 2 cents worth. Good shootin'. -Al
The 7-08 is a fine round, but cannot compete with the .30's in todays HBR competition. The .30's rule for a lot of reasons. With the various twist/bullet weight.30 cal. combos being proven winners, anything else is a serious upstream swim against pretty fast moving water.
If you're just entering the HBR wars, I would sure go with a proven combo that will allow you to develop as a shooter and move into 'experimental mode' a bit later.
Just my 2 cents worth. Good shootin'. -Al
Al sure has the good advise,he's also a premier HBR shooter!). In so-called "point-blank" 100-/200-yd. benchrest today the .30s are the only way to go. Nothing to do with BC, recoil, or any ballistic consideration. Simply the size of the hole! Find the smallest case that will hold 45-gr. and have fun. There are some based on the .30-30, but most of 'em I see are based on the .308 case either full length or shortened to 45-gr. capacity,30x44, 30x47, etc.).
Also, none of the competitive HBR shooters that I see are using large, high-BC bullets in any caliber. Light bullets, slow twists, small groups. Most of the .30s are using 112-, 118, 125-gr. bullets in 1:15 to 1:17 twists.
If you are shooting at a 1/2" ten-ring with a 1/16" X in the middle, then a .30-cal rig that will center a .375" group on that ten-ring will give you 5 X's! It's not necessarily that .30s are more accurate than 6.5s or 7s ... just a bigger hole to score with.
Also, none of the competitive HBR shooters that I see are using large, high-BC bullets in any caliber. Light bullets, slow twists, small groups. Most of the .30s are using 112-, 118, 125-gr. bullets in 1:15 to 1:17 twists.
If you are shooting at a 1/2" ten-ring with a 1/16" X in the middle, then a .30-cal rig that will center a .375" group on that ten-ring will give you 5 X's! It's not necessarily that .30s are more accurate than 6.5s or 7s ... just a bigger hole to score with.
not really sure that high bc buller make far bigger group, I really think that light bullet flat base are perhaps the way to go for ultimate potential accuracy wich is not the accuracy in target, difference is the shooter parameter ).
Hunter target doesn't request very very hight accuracy and even if 30 cal are the main rule, that not make outlaw other caliber.
Bullet making from the 70's have make a lot of improvement in quality and now boat tail bullet can be very accurate too, just need to check last test on this board with 6 Norma BR at 200 yards.
shoot 30 cal light bullet is something like make sailing, you enjoy be in the wind all time .and the perhaps too the back side of the 0.30, you get potential accuracy and you make big hole but you need to follow the wind to avoid flyer and If you get a flyer big hole is the way to win the match, that easy to simulate wind effect on group size, as start parameter you take a 1/4 inch group, a no impossible group value with a average good BR rifle ), you add 7/8 of one cal as periferical aera to reach the center of the target with your bullet
and after you check when with wind value you miss the group . not really sure that 0.30 will be a winner at this game .
a very interesting test will be to shoot side by side same barreled action ), all same component ) with a different barrel, same maker same profile, same grooves number )
and check how hight is the gain between a light bullet in .30 and the other solution in NO 0.30 cal
good shooting and enjoy new product and solutions trials
DAN TEC
Hunter target doesn't request very very hight accuracy and even if 30 cal are the main rule, that not make outlaw other caliber.
Bullet making from the 70's have make a lot of improvement in quality and now boat tail bullet can be very accurate too, just need to check last test on this board with 6 Norma BR at 200 yards.
shoot 30 cal light bullet is something like make sailing, you enjoy be in the wind all time .and the perhaps too the back side of the 0.30, you get potential accuracy and you make big hole but you need to follow the wind to avoid flyer and If you get a flyer big hole is the way to win the match, that easy to simulate wind effect on group size, as start parameter you take a 1/4 inch group, a no impossible group value with a average good BR rifle ), you add 7/8 of one cal as periferical aera to reach the center of the target with your bullet
and after you check when with wind value you miss the group . not really sure that 0.30 will be a winner at this game .
a very interesting test will be to shoot side by side same barreled action ), all same component ) with a different barrel, same maker same profile, same grooves number )
and check how hight is the gain between a light bullet in .30 and the other solution in NO 0.30 cal
good shooting and enjoy new product and solutions trials
DAN TEC
DanTech, if you are contemplating shooting in registered IBS or NBRSA Hunter class matches, and using factory,read non custom)made bullets, save your registration fee. Unless, of course, you are not concerned with winning.
I agree than 0.30 are on the top BUT I dont agree to read that
accuracy on target is accuracy potential
I explain
0.30 in 1 in 18 is very very accurate that a proven fact
but
to get good group, average good group )
you need to
own an accurate rifle with enought accuracy potential for the game you plan to shoot
AND
the skill to shoot
0.30 cal are very difficult to shhot because low bc bullet, even if they are top accuarte bullets ) moove a lot in the wind
other highter BC bullet, same weight so same recoil class ) are surely more easier to shoot to get the same target accuracy, target accuracy is the result and the a potential fact ) because that moove far less in the wind so that forgive more wind reading error
that just my point of view
same in 100/200 bench 6PPC is a winner but that not the only solution on this planet to win a match
good shooting
DAN TEC
accuracy on target is accuracy potential
I explain
0.30 in 1 in 18 is very very accurate that a proven fact
but
to get good group, average good group )
you need to
own an accurate rifle with enought accuracy potential for the game you plan to shoot
AND
the skill to shoot
0.30 cal are very difficult to shhot because low bc bullet, even if they are top accuarte bullets ) moove a lot in the wind
other highter BC bullet, same weight so same recoil class ) are surely more easier to shoot to get the same target accuracy, target accuracy is the result and the a potential fact ) because that moove far less in the wind so that forgive more wind reading error
that just my point of view
same in 100/200 bench 6PPC is a winner but that not the only solution on this planet to win a match
good shooting
DAN TEC
260 guy
If you want to shoot HBR, any cartridge with a case capacity of 45.5 grains H2O will do. If you want to be competitive, the 7/08 ain't going to get you there. You need a rifle and cartridge combination that is capable of sub 1/4 MOA accuracy. Combine that with the advantage of the larger caliber bullets,30 Cal) and you can easily see where you need to spend your hard earned $$$. JMHO
Ray
If you want to shoot HBR, any cartridge with a case capacity of 45.5 grains H2O will do. If you want to be competitive, the 7/08 ain't going to get you there. You need a rifle and cartridge combination that is capable of sub 1/4 MOA accuracy. Combine that with the advantage of the larger caliber bullets,30 Cal) and you can easily see where you need to spend your hard earned $$$. JMHO
Ray
Sounds like your mind is made up. See you, and your 7-08, at the match.
Dantec:
I agree with a lot of your ideas, but we held IBS score matches at my range last year and I did the scoring. At 100-yds. the 30BR in the hands of a good shooter will always beat the 6PPC in the hands of an equally good shooter when shooting for score. A lot of people who know way more than I do are beginning to think the 30BR may even challenge the 6s in group shooting soon.
Most of the top shooters, some of whom are past national champions, at our matches have 6PPCs and leave them home. The 30s rule. The new World Record for 100-/200-yd. Grand Aggregate was set at our range last year -- by a 30BR. If an excellent shooter puts his 6mm bullets in exactly the same place as his 30-cal. bullets, he will lose because the .308" hole will always score higher than a .243" hole.
The 30BR has/will do the same thing to the 6PPC that the PPC did to the .222 Rem. That's why there is so much crying going on about such things as "scoring all the holes with a 30-cal. plug" and creating a new LV class limited to 6mm and below, etc., because all other things being equal the 30s will beat the 6s at score shooting.
,Edit: After rereading the original post in this thread, I see I've digressed off the original subject. The 30BR is not legal in HBR. The .308" bore size comments are still valid, but Hunter class requires a case with at least 45-gr. capacity.)
I agree with a lot of your ideas, but we held IBS score matches at my range last year and I did the scoring. At 100-yds. the 30BR in the hands of a good shooter will always beat the 6PPC in the hands of an equally good shooter when shooting for score. A lot of people who know way more than I do are beginning to think the 30BR may even challenge the 6s in group shooting soon.
Most of the top shooters, some of whom are past national champions, at our matches have 6PPCs and leave them home. The 30s rule. The new World Record for 100-/200-yd. Grand Aggregate was set at our range last year -- by a 30BR. If an excellent shooter puts his 6mm bullets in exactly the same place as his 30-cal. bullets, he will lose because the .308" hole will always score higher than a .243" hole.
The 30BR has/will do the same thing to the 6PPC that the PPC did to the .222 Rem. That's why there is so much crying going on about such things as "scoring all the holes with a 30-cal. plug" and creating a new LV class limited to 6mm and below, etc., because all other things being equal the 30s will beat the 6s at score shooting.
,Edit: After rereading the original post in this thread, I see I've digressed off the original subject. The 30BR is not legal in HBR. The .308" bore size comments are still valid, but Hunter class requires a case with at least 45-gr. capacity.)
There have been a few 250-25x aggs. shot with the 30BR, in VFS, but the IBS record is still 250-25X with 19 wipeouts, held by the 6PPC.
so perhaps 30x44 is better than PPC in 6 mm
and IF even 30 BR is better than 6 PPC, that pen the way to future caliber, that just my concern design sometime better and I think that with time all thing canbe improved
I still think that compare accurate caliber, same purpose ) side by side will be a plentyfull and usefull interest .
good shooting
DAN TEC
and IF even 30 BR is better than 6 PPC, that pen the way to future caliber, that just my concern design sometime better and I think that with time all thing canbe improved
I still think that compare accurate caliber, same purpose ) side by side will be a plentyfull and usefull interest .
good shooting
DAN TEC
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