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7mm Quandry

Hi Guys,

Bought my new to ne F-Class shooting rig some time ago.

Love the 6mmBR barrel but now want to switch to the 7mmWin barrel. both 30" Kreiger's. 1 in 9" twist on the 284Win barrel.

I got loads of prepped brass and around 150 loaded rounds all loaded with the now-defunct 164 AMAX's.
So I will enjoy the Amax's until they run out but then what?

I have 700 180gr Scenars on hand which I would like to shoot. I appreciate i will need the free-bore attended to.

Question; should I persist with the 180gr Scenars or sell them and get something else. Again, this is for F-Class long.

Peter
 
I currently have 4831 on hand but will go with what works at the end of the day. It's more the freebore issue I need to get my head around or should I just change projectiles?
 
I never had any luck with the Scenar's for the 7mm. I found that they prefer a tight bore diameter. I bought 500 of them and ended up selling most of them on here. Mine likes Hornady and Bergers.
 
Thanks for the input.

I was worried about the depth in the case these would need to be seated Using the Hornady case length gauge it is 65.34mm long with the Scenar touching the lands. See attached image. It would need to be seated at the bottom of the red line which I drew around with bullet seated to the 65.34mm (2.5724409 inches).
Not sure that is even practical with it being seated so low into the case.
 

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They worked very well for me in a 9-twist Benchmark; not nearly so well in an 8 twist Bartlein.

These are superbly made bullets, very consistent indeed. Not as high BC as Berger Hybrids, but they are quite capable of being match winners in a barrel that likes them.

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/?s=Paul+Hill&submit=Search

I'd suggest trying them in your Krieger before deciding whether to sell them.
I can only echo Laurie words, these are a very consistent projectile. I have several barrels that like them, one a 1-9 and one a 1-8.25 both Bartleins. Equally I have several barrels that prefer Bergers.
I have often regretted selling bullets only to find out in a years time a particular barrel likes them. I would at very least save a box for a different barrel if this one doesn't like them.
 
I have often regretted selling bullets only to find out in a years time a particular barrel likes them.

You and me both Ian!! I mentally kick myself for selling various bullet models that I believed at the time I'd never again see a need for.

PS You don't know of any 308 210gn Berger Long-Range BTs looking for a home our side of the Atlantic do you? Yet another superb design where I sold my holdings off when I decided I didn't like heavy bullets in F/TR. Now that I shoot a 300 SAUM alongside my 284, I regret that decision.
 
You and me both Ian!! I mentally kick myself for selling various bullet models that I believed at the time I'd never again see a need for.

PS You don't know of any 308 210gn Berger Long-Range BTs looking for a home our side of the Atlantic do you? Yet another superb design where I sold my holdings off when I decided I didn't like heavy bullets in F/TR. Now that I shoot a 300 SAUM alongside my 284, I regret that decision.
Popular bullet with Match rifle Laurie, if you know of anyone shooting MTR?
 
I never had any luck with the Scenar's for the 7mm. I found that they prefer a tight bore diameter. I bought 500 of them and ended up selling most of them on here. Mine likes Hornady and Bergers.

My story with those bullets and a tight bore didn’t turn out well, when it mattered the most. About 2018, I’m totally into the saum as a cartridge and two exceptionally accurate saums, of 4 I’m running are Krieger 5R’s. At this time, I do not know they are tight bored, but I do know from their brass, that I must down load for them relative to the other two. That’s no issue once known, because whether it’s the bore, fast twist or throat, these barrels are fantastic, and the same velocity is reached, anyhow. (Now, I have blown up ELDM’s at this point, but nothing else whatsoever.)

So, in leading up to a big team match, I’ve settled on the Scenars after detailed head to head accuracy comparisons at 600, and the fact that their jacket appears to be as sturdy as an old penny rolled into a cone.

Fast forward to Ben Avery, team match at1,000. Deep into the team match all is going well. The coach has steered my saum clean through wind, a bit ahead of the .284’s. It’s late in match and we are really moving when disaster strikes, a 7 or 6 is raised low left. We stop and discuss. I confirm but he already knew there wasn’t and unintentional fire, and the gun handling had been good. I know the load recoiled as expected. Forced to resume unresolved, the next round, or possibly one soon after it, required a call to mark the target. That sickening wait, as expected resulted in a miss. The 7 was a bullet strike in the process of delaminating.

I had never generated the same level of barrel heat through that point, with those bullets, is all I have ever concluded. In hindsight, the downloading associated with the two 5R’s wasn’t the 8 twist rate or the throat, it was the bore. When I say “downloading,” we are only talking about 1.5 grains or so. While the best grouping I have experienced, they were grim reapers. Berger wasn’t immune, either. When it was 100% acknowledged that this particular SAUM could and would blow up bullets if shot fast, my daughter still picked it for a state LR match. Shooting 10’s and X’s in the changing wind like it was intended to do, she couldn’t let off the gas when things were going really well, and the same thing happened. She had led junior div with it comfortably but had both a blue and a yellow 180 vanish in Texas heat in that match.

So, I agree they shoot incredibly well with a tight bore. I think all 7mm’s likely do, but the added heat and stress to the copper sure can be more than they can take when the barrel gets really hot. If you can be sure it will never get extremely hot, then a barrel like that is magical.
 
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If you can be sure it will never get extremely hot, then then a barrel like that is magical.

A combination of the British climate and our pairs shooting keeps our barrels a lot cooler than yours in US F-Class. That's why the 7 SAUM sees less use than the WSM in national league shooting, although the two short magnums combined probably see less use than the 284 in club matches.
 
My 7mm-08 shoots Hornady 162gr SST's with stupid accuracy and at a mild speed so I dont jack with it because it works. Farthest out with it so far was 750 yards and it was banging steel every time I pulled the trigger, its a fun gun to shoot.
 

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