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7mm Backcountry dies and load data

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Have any of you had an opportunity to load this cartridge? Are their dies currently available? How does the case react to resizing? I never liked resizing other steel cases at all maybe this one is different. The advertised performance is impressive but it could be another marketing scheme.
 
from what i has seen they don't expect any reloading dies for a while. wondering if it will require a reforming process with multiple dies rather than the single sizing we are used to.
 
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Reloading the 7mm Backcountry.

Whether the 7mm Backcountry can be reloaded is an open question. And as of this writing, it doesn't look promising for reloaders. The first issue is the construction of the case. Because the 7 BC case uses a steel alloy rather than traditional brass, it isn't as reloader-friendly. According to Federal, the steel alloy cannot be annealed, which means that the cases will probably get brittle after a handful of firings. At that point I'm assuming they'll exhibit cracked necks or shoulders and need to be pitched. I say, "I assume," because I haven't been able to test this myself. This is based
on what Federal's engineers have said. I know that RCBS is working on reloading dies for the 7 BC, and I'm eager to try them. But from what I've heard from RCBS, the dies are having trouble resizing the cases. In order to get them back to their original factory size they need to
be run through the die multiple times - more than a dozen cycles, in fact. If that remains the case, then the appeal of the 7 BC for reloaders will be significantly diminished.
But another, and potentially larger, issue is powder. The powders Federal is loading in the cartridge currently are not available to the general public. This is quite common in the world of ammunition manufacturing, but if we're not able to get our hands on a commercially-available equivalent that can safely generate the pressures needed to achieve the level of performance the factory 7mm
Backcountry provides, then reloading the cartridge becomes much less attractive. I know Hodgdon is trying to identify publicly-available powders that can work but
for now they haven't found any viable candidates. I'm eager to reload this cartridge and will keep this section updated. But barring the ability to effectively anneal the cartridges, resize them easily, and charge them with propellants that deliver the expected level of performance, the
appeal of the 7 BC for reloaders will be negligible.
 
Just my opinion, but unless you are competing in some type of shooting discipline, such as paper punching, steel slamming, etc. we all need to get a little more of this guy in our hunting abilities and get a little bit closer to our quarry. We already have a plethora of more than capable cartridges of reaching out further than at least 90% plus of us should be shooting at big game anyway. But build it and they will come.tmp.gif
 
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Pistol or straight wall dies only require a carbide insert in the bottom of the die. A tapered case with a shoulder and neck would have to be (almost) entirely carbide; that would be beaucoup bucks.
Well idk I pay “beaucoup” bucks for custom dies I guess I could handle some factory carbide if I was interested in the cartridge which I’m definitely not.
Wayne
 
I have enough hot 7mms that don't get shot nearly enough as it is.
IMHO creating a cartridge just to create it for a commercial sense is bad business with a market that has plenty of options already.
From what I've read, I don't see the advantage that they're trying to push vs what's currently available.

Edit to add..anyone seen what recoil numbers are in a 8.5# unbraked/unsuppressed rifle is?
 
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Well idk I pay “beaucoup” bucks for custom dies I guess I could handle some factory carbide if I was interested in the cartridge which I’m definitely not.
Wayne

Yeah I guess when you go thru the list of rifles available for this round, stick a scope of the same value on it, and screw another $1k on the end of the barrel a set of $250+ dies really isn't front of mind anymore. Good for them I guess, but we sure are searching out every last little niche aren't we?
 
I have enough hot 7mms that don't get shot nearly enough as it is.
IMHO creating a cartridge just to create it for a commercial sense is bad business with a market that has plenty of options already.
From what I've read, I don't see the advantage that they're trying to push vs what's currently available.
I can see why they created the cartridge. It’s attractive to guys shooting suppressors out of short barrels, I can understand that. I’ve been using suppressors the last few years and screwing a suppressor on a barrel that is 22-24 inches long and then having a final barrel and suppressor length of 27 inches plus is really annoying out in the field. I use Eberlestock packs and those long smoke poles don't fit very well in the gun pouch. I think that’s the market they are targeting.

Post #10 is where my heads at, lots of valid concerns. I won’t even entertain a 7BC if reloading is prohibitive, either by cost or procedure. You have to be able to tune a load if you’re gonna shoot at range, factory ammo isn’t helpful. Different lots of bullets and powders, no control over seating depth, I haven’t shot factory ammo in decades. That’s a big negative for me.
 
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There will be plenty of people that will want and get into the new cartridge and the steel alloy case and what it does.
If it will really take off, only time will tell.
I go along with a previous post that to many people are already falling into the really long range shooting kick and most should not be doing so, as it is really far beyond their ability to shoot at an animal over 500 yds away.
But as other have said, Time will tell.
 
As for dies and brass. Obviously someone has made them for Federal and others will follow suit, so that really is not a concern to worry about.
It will boil down to how many folks will really work up and continue to buy this new product and style of cartridge and chamber in a firearm.
 
This cartridge is aimed at the 90% of hunters that pick up a box on the way to their first bull Elk hunt. They watch the long range hunting shows on TV and think it isn't a big thing to make a 800+ yard ethical kill. Not for the reloader/precision competitor shooters.
 

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