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75 ELD on Pdogs in 22xc

Is there a "just because" factor at work here? Does the 22XC do anything a 22-250 can't do as well (maybe better)? Was the original 6XC not formed from 22-250 brass by Tubb?
Just wondering out loud and, as you may guess, I am a HUGE 22-250 fan for prairie dogs. I have one Hawk Hill 7 twist barrel chambered in 22-250 that sends the 77SMK right at 3,200 FPS (not pushing hard). It was very easy to get a great shooting load and it hasn't been too hard on the barrel either. I know a 22 Creedmoor will blow the doors off but a barrel's doomed to a very short life (500 rounds IME).
 
Is there a "just because" factor at work here? Does the 22XC do anything a 22-250 can't do as well (maybe better)? Was the original 6XC not formed from 22-250 brass by Tubb?
Just wondering out loud and, as you may guess, I am a HUGE 22-250 fan for prairie dogs. I have one Hawk Hill 7 twist barrel chambered in 22-250 that sends the 77SMK right at 3,200 FPS (not pushing hard). It was very easy to get a great shooting load and it hasn't been too hard on the barrel either. I know a 22 Creedmoor will blow the doors off but a barrel's doomed to a very short life (500 rounds IME).

Longer neck, harder shoulder = Easier on barrels.

Small rifle primer brass that is inexpensive.

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't it be both?

You are saying you burned out a 22 Creedmore in 500 rounds? I would have to see that for myself. That sounds a bit much... I shoot the crap out my 243 barrels and I get 2000 rounds of good varmint accuracy on a barrel. Then it can set back and shot some more....
 
Longer neck, harder shoulder = Easier on barrels.

Small rifle primer brass that is inexpensive.

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't it be both?

You are saying you burned out a 22 Creedmore in 500 rounds? I would have to see that for myself. That sounds a bit much... I shoot the crap out my 243 barrels and I get 2000 rounds of good varmint accuracy on a barrel. Then it can set back and shot some more....
The 22CM belonged to a buddy. He didn't keep a data book round count but judged round count by the number of missing bullets from those dedicated to the barrel. Of course, all I've ever heard was the 22-250 is a barrel burner but I have one that still shoots minute of prairie dog after what I am sure is at least 2,500 rounds. It has been mine for 20 years now. For the first few years I went twice a year for 3-5 days of shooting and it was my main rifle on some very crowded dog towns. It shot under 1/2 MOA at the beginning and still holds just under 3/4 MOA today.
I wish you good results with the project.
 
urbanrifleman...afwiw, I've shot both the 7.7 twist and the 8-twist in my 22-243 Imp. The 77 gr Sierra MK shoots really well with the 8-twist, but the Hornady 75 gr ELD Match not so much. The 75 gr ELD Match shoots extremely well with the 7.7 twist. I've even had a few (3) shot ought groups with the 7.7 twist and the 75 gr ELD-M. That combination works well to 1200 yds on PD's. I get about 3640 fps with either bullet.
 
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I shoot the 75 ELDS in my 22 BRX 8 twist around 3480 fps. It has a spectacular affect on Pds. Shot a row of 3 one time and all 3 went to pieces over the deal. Great accuracy also. 1/2 moa out 600. That's as far as I have put it on paper. Shot some pds close to 800 with it.
 
Is there a "just because" factor at work here? Does the 22XC do anything a 22-250 can't do as well (maybe better)? Was the original 6XC not formed from 22-250 brass by Tubb?
I've put a few hundred rounds through a 22xc. In my limited experience with a 14tw 22xc it is in a class above the 22-250 and the 220 Swift. I love them both, but if I ever shoot the barrel out of my Swift I'll replace it with a 22xc. As far as barrel life ...... who knows. That would be an endless debate and maybe no definate answer. I think a cool burning powder similar to AA2700 would help extend the barrel life, but that is just a guess on my part.

The ability to put the rounds in a magazine without "stair stepping" is one advantage the xc has over the Swift in addition to up to a couple hundred FPS in muzzle velocity if you're inclined to want or need it. I think Urbanrifleman has a good idea in giving it a try. JMHO. FWIW. WD
 
I've put a few hundred rounds through a 22xc. In my limited experience with a 14tw 22xc it is in a class above the 22-250 and the 220 Swift. I love them both, but if I ever shoot the barrel out of my Swift I'll replace it with a 22xc. As far as barrel life ...... who knows. That would be an endless debate and maybe no definate answer. I think a cool burning powder similar to AA2700 would help extend the barrel life, but that is just a guess on my part.

The ability to put the rounds in a magazine without "stair stepping" is one advantage the xc has over the Swift in addition to up to a couple hundred FPS in muzzle velocity if you're inclined to want or need it. I think Urbanrifleman has a good idea in giving it a try. JMHO. FWIW. WD
How does the 22xc exceed the swift by 200fps? I thought the swift had at least equal powder capacity.
 
How does the 22xc exceed the swift by 200fps? I thought the swift had at least equal powder capacity.
I'm not sure how it did it for sure. Cartridge efficiency, barrel maker difference, powder charge.(??) I'm not a ballistics expert, nor did I have it long enough to give more definitive data . I wish I could. The rifle was loaned to me for about 3 weeks while a friend who owned it was in the hospital and recovering. He sold it about a month later. It was smithed by a fellow in Kenosha, Wisc.

I do know that the day I ran both of them across the chrony that my Swift was running just about 3950 and the 22xc and the same bullets were around 4040 with one load and the WW760 load through it was just short of 4130 is as I recall. I was shooting 50gr NBT bullets. Just stating what the chrony said.

And the few chucks I hit with it showed considerable more damage relatively speaking. YMMV. WD
 
The 22 XC is like the 22/250 AI with a 30* shoulder, This is how it accounts for Swift velocities.

22 XC with 69g tipped match kings would lend to some serious Air Time for chucks and p. dogs, and lend to some serious wind bucking. An additional 77g TMK load would be my windy day load. The 60g Sierra TMK would be running in the area of 3600-3700 fps area from my experience with the 22/250 AI with this bullet.
 
"Swift like' velocities I understand, but not exceeding the Swift by 100-200 fps. Equal care in working up loads, comparable rifles, etc. would put the Swift on equal footing. I have a 6xc and have shot for for years. Used to have a 22-250 and 22-6mm but not a Swift. I have a buddy with one so I know what it will do. I would hate to see someone chamber a 22xc with unrealistic expections.
 
I have my 22xc reamer now and it is 90 FB.

I am thinking these guys right here in an 8 twist going say... 3600 FPS is hand grenade city?

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Urban -

Howdy !

I shot 75 "A"-Max exclusively from a 28" 1-8 K & P, chambered in my .22-35 Remington " wildcat.

It was easy to put 3,500fps on them, from a load of 40.5gr AA3100 + FED Large Magnum Rifle Match.
I got tighter groups when I made a switch in the load to use of FED LR Match, which gave 3,420fps.
Neither of these loads were breathing hard, yet I still had great accuracy; and predictable terminal effects.

The 75 "A"-Max worked great on groundhog. Were I to do another fast twist .22-35 Remington, I'd probably go 1-8 again; and give the newer 73 & 75gr ELD-Ms a try. But hey... that's just me.


With regards,
357Mag
 
Can't wait for the range report!

I'm guessing that 69 TMK will do better than the traditional SMK versions. I have seen the contrast between the 77 TMK versus the 77 SMK when I burn off leftover match loads on PDs and will wait to hear what you think.
I would like to start hearing about the potential for those nose ring concepts of David's in terms of the terminal effects on PDs.

(Disclaimer to rookies, do not assume using match bullets is typical or recommended for varmints. Varmint bullet designs disintegrate on contact, match bullets can pass through and ricochet a long way at wide angles and can carry enough energy to do lots of damage. Make sure you have a blunt backstop or a mountain backstop if you attempt this.)
 

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