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7.62 x 54R load data

I picked up a Mosin Nagant at a gun auction last year. I found brass and now I'm looking for load recipes for this toy. Does anyone know where I can find data for this? I sure would appreciate some help with this!:)
 
Hodgdon's website has it. I reload for it, what bullet are you using, I can try to look up my loads for you this evening.

I mainly shoot surplus H4895 or BLC2 with surplus .310" 147 FMJ's through both of mine.

Be wary that the bores on these rifles tend to run large from the .310 spec through about .314 (largest one that I've owned). I'd suggest slugging the bore before you try to develop a load and can't get it to shoot.

I spent about 3 boxes of bullets trying to find a load back when I was in HS, finally I took my dad's advice and slugged the barrel to find out it ran .3105"

I switched to 303 Brit bullets and it shot like a dream. (compared to the 9 MOA groups I was getting previously)
 
So far, I haven't fired it yet. I assumed that it was .308 and now I think you're right about the bore being .312 or around there. I was going to load up about 20 .308 and see what they'd do. A gunsmith friend tells me that the action is Finnish and not Russian because of the octagonal receiver.
 
"Hex" receivers do not make a finnish action, the markings and stock make a Fin.

If you have a real fin, it's almost assured to be a shooter and it's worth quite a bit more money than a regular MN91/30.

If you really want to find out what you have on your hands put some pics of it up, I"ll send them to my dad... I swear he can tell a MN action 20/20 style. 20 feet away @ 20mph... it's a little eery sometimes. He's much more into the CR game than I am.

The Finnish rifles shoot VERY well.

If you take it from the stock and there's a bunch of shims under the barrel, be very careful to make sure each shim goes back in the same location. Number the shims and mark the locations.

They were painstakingly placed by a finnish armorer to make that thing shoot, and they shoot the 1940's equivalent of bugholes, which was about MOA.
 
"Hex" receivers do not make a finnish action, the markings and stock make a Fin.

Yes, Russian / Soviet receivers were hex profile until the adoption of the M1891/30 in the early 30s, when officially a cheaper to make round form was adopted. However, Tula and Izhevsk arsenals had huge quantities of the older form in stock and took until WW2 to use them up. You see rifles dated as late as 1940 or 41 with the hex form.

Finnish rifles have tighter bores than the Russian ones. All Finnish rifles use Russian manufactured actions which they inherited on secession from the USSR in 1917, from rifles they were given by the Germans that had been captured during WW1, or were captured from the Red Army in the 1940/41 'Winter War' when the Soviets invaded the Karelian Peninsula. So most Finnish rifles have hex receivers, but you also find rebuilt Soviet M1891/30s too with round reciever bodies. As BohemR13 says, the stock is the main giveaway, hex reciever models restocked in Arctic birch with a two-piece forend where the two sections join with a really neat dovetail joint. The Finns usually stained the timber with potassium permanganate that gives it a really dark appearance, while Russian / Soviet examples are light-coloured birchwood with a fragile shellac type varnish finish. M1891/30s were only changed slightly from the Russian form, the dark wood and lack of a foresight hood-protector being the main giveaways. Earlier Finnish rifles only retained the Mosin-Nagant action and the barrel, stock, sights, sling fitting etc are all different (and better). The SAKO rifle building facility was created specially to do this work and is the ancestor of today's Sako company.

Lapua produces .310 123gn FMJs (designed for the 7.62X39mm AK round) that shoot well in 7.62X54R with powders in the Viht N135, H4895 range if you can find any. Other .310 light bullets from the US manufacturers will do too. In the heavier bullet field, look for bullets usually made for the .303 British or 7.65X53mm Belgian / Argentine Mauser, 7.7mm Jap etc. The top of the pile accuracy-wise is Sierra's 174gn HPBT MatchKing, and Hornady makes a .310" FMJBT of similar weight. Hornady and Sierra make 150 and 180gn flat-base PSP hunting bullets too for the .303 etc if my memory serves that can shoot well in the 7.62X54R. (We aren't allowed expanding bullets in the UK except by special permission for hunting use and so can't buy them for target shooting, so no experince there.) 0.308" bullets are worth trying, but they usually don't shoot well in Russian rifles, but will in Finnish (SAKO made) barrels that are much nearer .30 cal. Powders wise, anything that works well in .308W suits the 7.62X54R - Viht N140, N150, H4895, VarGet, Re15, IMR-4064 etc. Some loading manuals have data - Sierra, Hornady, and Lyman, although you can usually substitute .308 Win data safely that is only slightly lower despite the 7.62's larger case. Loaded up, the 7.62X54R is a match for .308W both ballistically and accuracy-wise, although the M-N rifle and its terrible trigger pull rarely allows you to prove that. The USSR dominated Olympic Running Deer events for many years with the cartridge in specially built match rifles, and it still performs well out to 800M range with specially manufactured sniper ammunition in Russian military service in the SVD Dragunov semi-auto rifle.

Laurie,
York, England
 
I did the research on this rifle and you guys are right! It is finnish. I ordered a new .312 expander bell from Lee as the rifle is 311 dia. I'm going to throw some loads together this spring.
Thankyou so much for the info guys.
Cheers,
Trooper.
 
Look for loads on the Viht. or Lapua web sites. They have loads in their load manuals.
 
Incidentally, the Finns call their version 7.62X53R. There is no change from the original Russian case design or length, the redesignation being because of the tighter bore and some throat changes. Also, the easiest way to insult a Finnish shooter is to mention his country's use of 'Mosin-Nagant' rifles, so their rifles must by definition use a 'different' cartridge. Finns hate Russians and everything Russian, not surprising given their history!

With the 7.62X53R being their national military cartridge from 1917 (and 7.62X54R for another 20 years or so before that) to the 7.62mm Nato era starting in the late 1950s / early '60s, it is not surprising that Viht has a lot of loads data for it. It was also the country's major sporting cartridge for most of the last 100 years used on 1,000kg moose and large bears, although now replaced by cartridges like the 9.3X62mm. It was banned for civilian hunting use for a period after WW2 (as a 'military cartridge' a concept which even now exercises the regulatory instincts of some European politicians and civil servants for some strange reason), so you'll also find Finnish loads data for various wildcats based on the case in 6.5, 7, 8, 9.3mm etc form. Sporterised Finnish military M-N 'type' rifles (I don't want to lose any more Finnish friends) were very widely used in the country for hunting until fairly recently.
 
Laurie's spot on here; the 7.62x53R designation refers to the fact that a .308" bullet is used, as opposed to the original .310" bullets used by the Russians. CIP regs require a new designation anytime there's a change in any dimension of the case, the bullet, the chamber, throat, etc.. That's why there's a 6mm BR Rem and a 6mm BR Norma; same case, different throatings (and twists). Besides, after what the Finns did to the Russians in the Winter War, they can call their cartridge anything they want!

Just picked up a very nice M39 at one of our last gun shows, and teh weather's finally warming up enough to be able to shoot again. I'm looking forward to giving it a whirl.
 
Kevin,

yes, that's an interesting point about CIP regulations. I don't know how it was eventually resolved, but it caused an issue some 10 or so years ago with .223 Rem and the growing demand for 1-9" twist barrels. CIP said that European manufacturers couldn't change the twist from the standard 1-12" without registering a new cartridge, and CZ was then in the process of introducing the H-S Precision kevlar stocked heavy-barrel Cz527 Varmint slated for the faster twist rate to meet demand from the UK and USA. (Nothing like as big an issue in continental Europe as most countries there have these silly 'military cartridge' regulations that make it at best more onerous bureaucratically to own a .223R, in some cases nearly impossible.)

Anyway, it must have been resolved in the end somehow, but the first batch of the '1-9" Cz527 Varmints' arrived in the UK meanwhile, sold out in a month or two, and I snagged one on loan to review for a British Shooting magazine. To cut a long story short, my first test loads saw the 69gn Sierra MK just about stay in the black at 200yd, while the 68gn Hornady HPBTM wouldn't reliably hit the target frame. 1-12" twist of course and red faces all round!
 
I am going to save you lots of money and time with this post. It took me a good chunk of change to come up with this load. It is one grain below max listed in the Accurate manual. I do suggest you slug your bore FIRST before loading. Take a fishing sinker or muzzle loader lead ball around .315 to .317 diameter and after removing the bolt drop it into the chamber. Take the metal cleaning rod from a military rifle and place on top of the lead ball. Place a piece of wood on the end of the cleaning rod and take a hammer and lightly tap until the ball is started down the bore until you run out of rod length. Remove the cleaning rod and get some wood dowel rod pieces just smaller around than the bore diameter. Cut them in about 6 inch lengths. Drop a length into the chamber end and use the cleaning rod to place on top and lightly tap with the hammer until you run out of length. Repeat the process until the slug drops out the muzzle preferably onto some padding. Measure between two of the highest spots. This is where the grooves were. If it comes out .310 to .3105 use .311 diameter bullets. If it is .3105 to .3115 use .312 diameter bullets. If it is over .3115 get rid of it and get you another rifle because it will not shoot accurately with jacketed bullets. I have a BUNCH of 7.62X54R calibers rifles. They all shoot what I call THE LOAD very well, especially my Finnish M-39.

THE LOAD: 50 grs. Accurate 4350, Graf/Prvi or Lapua cases, CCI 200 primer, for rifles that need a .311 bullet use the Sierra .311 174 gr Match King or the 180 gr SP COL 3.000 For rifles that need .312 bullets use the Hornady .312 174 gr RNSP COL 2.790 and this is important to really good accuracy. USE A LEE FACTORY CRIMP DIE ON ALL LOADS.

I have never seen personally a 7.62X54R rifle that would shoot a .308 bullet accurately. They are just too small diameter. Good luck and good shooting.

P.S. If you rifle is in military configuration go to www.surplusrifle.com and go to the forums. In the forums you will see a thread for Russian/Finnish rifles. In this thread at the top of the page are some stickies and in one of them is how to do accuracy work by shimming the action and barrel without permanently altering your rifle. IT WORKS.
 
There are a couple of rules regarding bore diameter (i.e. diameter of the grooves) in the Finn rifles. Most of the pre-1940 models (M24, M27, M28, M28/30) will use a .308 bullet. 1940 and later (M39, "Finned" 91/30) will use a .310 bullet. Some of the earlier guns will have receivers marked with a "D" or "D166" - these were either rebarreled or had the throat modified (not always clear which) to take the .310 slug.

Another exception is the 28/76 match rifle - most have a .308 bore, but some slug .310 - these are sometimes marked on the receiver "D166." Lapua still offers the D166 bullet:

http://www.lapua.com/en/products/reloading/bullets/centerfire-rifle-bullets/16

Of course, if the bore is worn you may have to use a .311 or .312, which is why slugging the bore is recommended.

One last thing - the expander ball on most 7.62x54r dies is .311. (Apparently RCBS die sets sometimes come with a .308 AND .311.) Depending on which bullet you're using, you might need a different dia. expander ball. Same thing if you are neck sizing.

John
 

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