6X47 Swiss Match
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Russ:
You can't get the brass unless it is pickup once fired. Many have tried, including myself, Corbin Shell, David Tooley, and once upon a time David Tubb. The big 'R' is just hard to deal with and have no interest in importing the brass to the USA at a cost that anyone would be interested in paying.
Jim
You can't get the brass unless it is pickup once fired. Many have tried, including myself, Corbin Shell, David Tooley, and once upon a time David Tubb. The big 'R' is just hard to deal with and have no interest in importing the brass to the USA at a cost that anyone would be interested in paying.
Jim
gaintwist
Silver $$ Contributor
I built a SM because I could get a reamer for much less than new 6x47L. Ground the base down on a,much less expensive) 6x47 Lapua die, use Lapua brass and built a rifle that set a Nat record on second outing. The Hart 1-8 bbl humms at 3030'/s with 107SMK and the 115DTAC at 3040'/s is killer bee at 1K. Don't mess with anything but Lapua 6.5x47 brass, just not worth the effort. I love it.
-lige
-lige
I bought some once fired 6x47 SM brass in the hopes of resizing it and using it in a my 6x47L. It didn't work.
The 200+ pieces of once fired Swiss Match brass that I purchased are certainly high quality, comparable to Lapua, but since they cannot be resized to fit in my significantly smaller 6x47L, it is useless to me.
MQ1
The 200+ pieces of once fired Swiss Match brass that I purchased are certainly high quality, comparable to Lapua, but since they cannot be resized to fit in my significantly smaller 6x47L, it is useless to me.
MQ1
Thanks Guys.
I have 200 pieces of brass. I read that Redding makes dies for it and I just ordered a 1:7.8 barrel. I was suprised to see it has a Large rifle primer. for some reason i was thinking it had a small rifle primer but that is not the case.
Though I purchased this brass on a whim I will persue it.
MQ1 Ill buy what ever brass you have that has not been messed with if you want to get rid of it. I sure could use it. Drop me a PM if you want too.
If the dies are unobtainable from Redding Ill get another reamer made for A newlon Blank. and have a FL sizer made.
The brass I have is nice but my only complaint is that the carbon and gases that remained on the necks stained those nice long necks. Ill have to try to clean that up with a scotchbrite pad or something.
Should be a good project.
Russ T
I have 200 pieces of brass. I read that Redding makes dies for it and I just ordered a 1:7.8 barrel. I was suprised to see it has a Large rifle primer. for some reason i was thinking it had a small rifle primer but that is not the case.
Though I purchased this brass on a whim I will persue it.
MQ1 Ill buy what ever brass you have that has not been messed with if you want to get rid of it. I sure could use it. Drop me a PM if you want too.
If the dies are unobtainable from Redding Ill get another reamer made for A newlon Blank. and have a FL sizer made.
The brass I have is nice but my only complaint is that the carbon and gases that remained on the necks stained those nice long necks. Ill have to try to clean that up with a scotchbrite pad or something.
Should be a good project.
Russ T
German
Love those little gumball machine plastic balls with that Blue Krazy Kloth inside. Been using that for some time now.
It on the other hand did not clean the staining off. which is very suprising since it is very effective on everything else.
Kiff has Reamer print, Redding has the Die drawing, and A new Brux Barrel is on order.
MQ1
Offer still stands to take that Brass of your hands.
Russ T
Love those little gumball machine plastic balls with that Blue Krazy Kloth inside. Been using that for some time now.
It on the other hand did not clean the staining off. which is very suprising since it is very effective on everything else.
Kiff has Reamer print, Redding has the Die drawing, and A new Brux Barrel is on order.
MQ1
Offer still stands to take that Brass of your hands.
Russ T
Hi Russ,
I have owned a 6x47swiss for two years, it is one of most accurate rifle I own,BAT 8.5 Richards 008 Thumb-hole Krieger 1:8 BBl)
I shoot Dtacs exclusively and it will group one hole every time if I do my bit, I have beaten many a 6.5x284 at long distance F Class,1000yrds) I use N560, sweet spot is around 2950-3000 it will go much higher but the Flashole suffers and the brass is so expensive it's not worth it.
We can get SM brass relatively easy,UK) I am on 4th or 5th firing with no sign of the brass suffering if you can get the Brass in the U.S I would not hesitate, out of the box it is the best brass I have purchased, I checked case neck runout on the batch I had and it averaged 1.5 thou or less!
I have a standard RCBS die,it may have been special order) and I am sure Redding make one as well.
Hope This helps
Regards
Gary Costello
I have owned a 6x47swiss for two years, it is one of most accurate rifle I own,BAT 8.5 Richards 008 Thumb-hole Krieger 1:8 BBl)
I shoot Dtacs exclusively and it will group one hole every time if I do my bit, I have beaten many a 6.5x284 at long distance F Class,1000yrds) I use N560, sweet spot is around 2950-3000 it will go much higher but the Flashole suffers and the brass is so expensive it's not worth it.
We can get SM brass relatively easy,UK) I am on 4th or 5th firing with no sign of the brass suffering if you can get the Brass in the U.S I would not hesitate, out of the box it is the best brass I have purchased, I checked case neck runout on the batch I had and it averaged 1.5 thou or less!
I have a standard RCBS die,it may have been special order) and I am sure Redding make one as well.
Hope This helps
Regards
Gary Costello
Thank you Mr Costello.
Yes that is very helpfull. N560 with the heavier 115 class bullets. So then I can deduct that the R22, H4831SC, N160 type powders with tHat Burn rate should work well in this case.
Im guessing R19, H4350, IMR 4007SSC, should work well with the 105 class bullets.
My next Question for those who have responded is what Freebore is everones chamber and what bullet are you using.
After the barrel Purchase I have to wait a couple months to get enough money together for the Reamer and Dies.
Thank you everyone for the posative Responses.
RussT
Yes that is very helpfull. N560 with the heavier 115 class bullets. So then I can deduct that the R22, H4831SC, N160 type powders with tHat Burn rate should work well in this case.
Im guessing R19, H4350, IMR 4007SSC, should work well with the 105 class bullets.
My next Question for those who have responded is what Freebore is everones chamber and what bullet are you using.
After the barrel Purchase I have to wait a couple months to get enough money together for the Reamer and Dies.
Thank you everyone for the posative Responses.
RussT
Russ:
Careful, the last poster is in the UK not the USA. Unless you have a military connection, and you do, then you will play the devil getting NEW unfired brass. If you have it on hand, it is second to none -- in fact it is the best. If you in fact have enough to justify a chambering, go for it.
Is the brass hard to get? Ruag,spelling) would not take a 250,00 count order for the USA -- right in their face at the Shot Show -- no interest at all until the brass got out of sight on price. Another group order in the $20,000 range put together by Corbin Shell died in a pile because of custom problems, etc.
Keep us posted on your great project!
Jim
Careful, the last poster is in the UK not the USA. Unless you have a military connection, and you do, then you will play the devil getting NEW unfired brass. If you have it on hand, it is second to none -- in fact it is the best. If you in fact have enough to justify a chambering, go for it.
Is the brass hard to get? Ruag,spelling) would not take a 250,00 count order for the USA -- right in their face at the Shot Show -- no interest at all until the brass got out of sight on price. Another group order in the $20,000 range put together by Corbin Shell died in a pile because of custom problems, etc.
Keep us posted on your great project!
Jim
Jim
As of right now I have 200peices of the most beutiful brass you have ever seen. I just made a deal with MQ for another 200 pending the delivery.
I think that is enough to work with for awhile. If not I can always cut the threads off the barrel and chamber it in 6BR or a 6 Dasher. I could also send the reamer in to gind it into something else if it does not work out. Lots of options. Too many even.
Ill keep everyone posted.
RussT
As of right now I have 200peices of the most beutiful brass you have ever seen. I just made a deal with MQ for another 200 pending the delivery.
I think that is enough to work with for awhile. If not I can always cut the threads off the barrel and chamber it in 6BR or a 6 Dasher. I could also send the reamer in to gind it into something else if it does not work out. Lots of options. Too many even.
Ill keep everyone posted.
RussT
Jim
I now have 400 peices of brass and have ordered a FL bushing Die from Redding. They had it on Hand!!!! Looking at the 6X47 Swiss Match and the 6.5X47Lapua I see they are very close in size.
Internal Volume to the Mouth is 46.5Gr H20. The Lapua necked down to 6mm was 47.4gr H20. I had read that the 6XC is 47gr H20.
So you can see they are all very close to one another as far as internal case capacity. Looking over the cases I think If I needed too, and I dont) I could make this brass from 22-250 cases without too much trouble. Ill be investigating that once I get things put together.
Lige
I asume you were using your Swiss Match for FTO comps? What kind of sizing die have you been using? are you still shooting this rifle?
If you dont mind I would like to email you once I get things rolling to ask some basic Questions on your past experience with this specific cartridge.
Most importantly what is your freebore right now. Im leaning towards a .104 or slightly longer freebore for 105VLD's and 115VLDs
Russ T
I now have 400 peices of brass and have ordered a FL bushing Die from Redding. They had it on Hand!!!! Looking at the 6X47 Swiss Match and the 6.5X47Lapua I see they are very close in size.
Internal Volume to the Mouth is 46.5Gr H20. The Lapua necked down to 6mm was 47.4gr H20. I had read that the 6XC is 47gr H20.
So you can see they are all very close to one another as far as internal case capacity. Looking over the cases I think If I needed too, and I dont) I could make this brass from 22-250 cases without too much trouble. Ill be investigating that once I get things put together.
Lige
I asume you were using your Swiss Match for FTO comps? What kind of sizing die have you been using? are you still shooting this rifle?
If you dont mind I would like to email you once I get things rolling to ask some basic Questions on your past experience with this specific cartridge.
Most importantly what is your freebore right now. Im leaning towards a .104 or slightly longer freebore for 105VLD's and 115VLDs
Russ T
gaintwist
Silver $$ Contributor
Russ,
I am a sling shooter. Don't recall my FB but the 115 fits easily out of the boiler. Will look next trip to the shop. I shot it at 1K this last week and it easily holds 1/2' vertical and the drift is MUCH less than any other rifle I shoot at 1K. Checked my clock data and the DTAC is 3030 with my hot load and have no speed on the .3 grain reduced load that shoots lights out too. Just got 2K of the new DTACS with HBN and will switch over to them with one final test of the bare bullets to compare against.
Don't recall the brand of the FL dies I use...Forster likely. They were the least expensive of the 6x47 L that I researched. Just ground .5' off the bottom and used them to make the brass I headspaced with. Email me for more load info.
cheers,
-lige
I am a sling shooter. Don't recall my FB but the 115 fits easily out of the boiler. Will look next trip to the shop. I shot it at 1K this last week and it easily holds 1/2' vertical and the drift is MUCH less than any other rifle I shoot at 1K. Checked my clock data and the DTAC is 3030 with my hot load and have no speed on the .3 grain reduced load that shoots lights out too. Just got 2K of the new DTACS with HBN and will switch over to them with one final test of the bare bullets to compare against.
Don't recall the brand of the FL dies I use...Forster likely. They were the least expensive of the 6x47 L that I researched. Just ground .5' off the bottom and used them to make the brass I headspaced with. Email me for more load info.
cheers,
-lige
Lige
Thanks for the information. I was wondering how your 6X47 Lapua Sizing die works on the Swiss Match since the Swiss Match has a WAY longer neck than the Lapua. The shoulder Dimension is also larger on the Swiss Match do to it having less body taper.
I have a Redding FL Bushing die comming for the 6X47 Swiss Match via a very nice fella by the name of Chris at Graff and Sons.
Since my brass is Once fired I should be able to get a good reading on a peice or two of resized brass, once my die shows up) for Dave at pacific tool. A reamer that matches the die would be good. Only makes sense to do that so the chamber and die work together istead of making a chamber and using a off the shelf who knows what size die that may or may not work.
Russ T
Thanks for the information. I was wondering how your 6X47 Lapua Sizing die works on the Swiss Match since the Swiss Match has a WAY longer neck than the Lapua. The shoulder Dimension is also larger on the Swiss Match do to it having less body taper.
I have a Redding FL Bushing die comming for the 6X47 Swiss Match via a very nice fella by the name of Chris at Graff and Sons.
Since my brass is Once fired I should be able to get a good reading on a peice or two of resized brass, once my die shows up) for Dave at pacific tool. A reamer that matches the die would be good. Only makes sense to do that so the chamber and die work together istead of making a chamber and using a off the shelf who knows what size die that may or may not work.
Russ T
Latest update to the 6X47 Swiss Match project.
All the parts are in hand and Wald Precision Rifles has chambered the Brux barrel with a PTG reamer matched to the Redding FL/Bushing die. Steve also bushed the firing pin on my prized National Record setting Ellisio tube gun. The project is complete and I await the UPS delivery (Santa in brown) guy to drop off this exciting new project.
I have bullets powder,primers, brass,& bullets ready to send those first rounds down range.
Can you tell Im excited????
Ill keep you posted on the results of the project when it all unfolds.
RussT
All the parts are in hand and Wald Precision Rifles has chambered the Brux barrel with a PTG reamer matched to the Redding FL/Bushing die. Steve also bushed the firing pin on my prized National Record setting Ellisio tube gun. The project is complete and I await the UPS delivery (Santa in brown) guy to drop off this exciting new project.
I have bullets powder,primers, brass,& bullets ready to send those first rounds down range.
Can you tell Im excited????
Ill keep you posted on the results of the project when it all unfolds.
RussT
Congratulations, Russ! New projects are more fun than just about anything else, aren't they? I finished another Eliseo Tubegun last night, with the first of the Borden Tubegun actions. It's just another .30-06, though, not as exciting as the 6x47, can't wait to see yours in action! www.competitionshootingstuff.com www.bordenrifles.com
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