6mm creed 105 Gr bullets with H4831SC?

[Plumsask]

i recently purchased a new rifle in 6mm Creedmoor. It’s a 26” factory gun. I wanted to get into doing some recreational distance shooting without breaking the bank. I’ve built a few customs ( 6 Ackley ) but they are dedicated coyote rigs. Anyways I was speaking with Jerry Teo from Mystic precision up here in Canada, he is a very smart guy and has a ton of experience in PRS and ELR shooting. I mentioned to him that I would start load development with H4350 and 105 Gr bullets. Jerry suggested that H4831SC was possibly a better option with a node around 2900 FPS. I haven’t seen much on any forums talking about H4831SC in the 6 creed. I know hornady and Sierra list it in their load data for 105 class bullets. Can anyone help out with personal experience with this bullet weight and powder combination ?

Thanks

Ave

 

[Gb300wm]

Try it and let us know. Sierra has load data for it on their blog....

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

It will work, we have a local powder over here basically the same thing and it shines in XC and Creed size cases with 105gr bullets

 

[Plumsask]

It will work, we have a local powder over here basically the same thing and it shines in XC and Creed size cases with 105gr bullets

Thank you for the Reply- I have t had the chance to shoot it yet. I did pick up a pound of H4831. It has been a challenge to find much written about This powder in the 6 creed. Everything is 42 grains of H4350, with a 105. Thanks again.

 

[John from MN]

I tried it in a 27 inch Shilen with 105 VLD's and found it to give results similar to H4350.

The node for that barrel was at 2950. I ultimately ended up settling on the 95 grain TMK and H4350, but that was just a matter of the barrel picking the bullet it liked.

 

[MTlager]

I recently tried H4831 in the 6 Creed with 115 vld and got a very good accuracy node at 3045 fps with 28" barrel. Less velocity than RL16 but more case fill being quite a bit slower powder. In my barrel with 44 grains of 4831 with a 105 gr bullet could easily get over 3100 fps and not be hard on Peterson brass.

 

[Plumsask]

I tried it in a 27 inch Shilen with 105 VLD's and found it to give results similar to H4350.

The node for that barrel was at 2950. I ultimately ended up settling on the 95 grain TMK and H4350, but that was just a matter of the barrel picking the bullet it liked.

I’ve heard there is a node in that 2900 FPS area

 

[Plumsask]

I recently tried H4831 in the 6 Creed with 115 vld and got a very good accuracy node at 3045 fps with 28" barrel. Less velocity than RL16 but more case fill being quite a bit slower powder. In my barrel with 44 grains of 4831 with a 105 gr bullet could easily get over 3100 fps and not be hard on Peterson brass.

Thanks for the heads up- any thoughts on what would be a max weight in a 7.5 twist? I’m thinking 110 Gr. I should just use the a stabilization calculator.

 

[MTlager]

I use 8 twist in all of mine and barrels are throated for the 115. 145 freebore. I just went out side to fire form some new cases and used 105 target vld's with H4831 to see what they would do.
42 grains run 2980 with bullets just touching. 43 gr group went 3035, same hole. 44 gr run 3092, but opened up some. Probably come back together again higher up. The 6 BR cases shoot those 2900 fps nodes, so I like to run way above that with the creed case burning a lot more powder !

 

[Plumsask]

I use 8 twist in all of mine and barrels are throated for the 115. 145 freebore. I just went out side to fire form some new cases and used 105 target vld's with H4831 to see what they would do.
42 grains run 2980 with bullets just touching. 43 gr group went 3035, same hole. 44 gr run 3092, but opened up some. Probably come back together again higher up. The 6 BR cases shoot those 2900 fps nodes, so I like to run way above that with the creed case burning a lot more powder !

Thanks for the Info- much appreciated.
On another note- what distance are guys doing ladder tests at for 600-800 shooting? 200 yards?

 

[Falfan2017]

I think 200 is too short for ladder tests I think if you’re going to shoot at 600 then 600 is probably a good place for a ladder. Recently been doing more of Erik Cortinas short range development than shooting long range ladders though.

 

[4xforfun]

i recently purchased a new rifle in 6mm Creedmoor. It’s a 26” factory gun. I wanted to get into doing some recreational distance shooting without breaking the bank. I’ve built a few customs ( 6 Ackley ) but they are dedicated coyote rigs. Anyways I was speaking with Jerry Teo from Mystic precision up here in Canada, he is a very smart guy and has a ton of experience in PRS and ELR shooting. I mentioned to him that I would start load development with H4350 and 105 Gr bullets. Jerry suggested that H4831SC was possibly a better option with a node around 2900 FPS. I haven’t seen much on any forums talking about H4831SC in the 6 creed. I know hornady and Sierra list it in their load data for 105 class bullets. Can anyone help out with personal experience with this bullet weight and powder combination ?

Thanks

Ave

Sorry for the dumb question, but why 2900? That is smack dab in 6 BR territory.

Again, not apples to apples, but there is a great lower node for the Dasher at 2980ish and a great node for the 6-47L at 3100. I would think that the Creed would be very comfy at 3200ish and still have GREAT brass life.

I don't own a Creed yet, but who knows what the future brings.....maybe the new Dem House members are secret creed fans!!

Tod

 

[Plumsask]

Sorry for the dumb question, but why 2900? That is smack dab in 6 BR territory.

Again, not apples to apples, but there is a great lower node for the Dasher at 2980ish and a great node for the 6-47L at 3100. I would think that the Creed would be very comfy at 3200ish and still have GREAT brass life.

I don't own a Creed yet, but who knows what the future brings.....maybe the new Dem House members are secret creed fans!!

Tod

Good question- 2900 FPS was the node mentioned to me by a competitive shooter - I thought the same thing you did- that it is capable of higher speeds and hitting nodes in those higher speeds. Ultimately the rifle will let me know what it likes I suppose. I would prefer a bit more than 2900 with accuracy

 

[Plumsask]

I think 200 is too short for ladder tests I think if you’re going to shoot at 600 then 600 is probably a good place for a ladder. Recently been doing more of Erik Cortinas short range development than shooting long range ladders though.

I have read a bit and watched some or Erik’s videos. Is he using the O.C.W. Method?

 

[Falfan2017]

I have read a bit and watched some or Erik’s videos. Is he using the O.C.W. Method?

http://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/long-range-load-development-at-100-yards.3814361/

 

[Geocodyrgia]

I decided to use 7828 for the slower burn and found very good results. Not the fastest but I’d rather have the barrel life. H4831, IMR 7828, RL22, H4451 have all had solid loads in my 6 Creed RPR with the Hornady 108.

 

[lb-ft]

RL19 shoots lights out in my RPR 6 Creedmoor w/105s. It’s quite similar burn to H4831.