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6mm BR vs 6mm Dasher

I’m trying to decide between the two cartridges. Primary purpose will be shooting only heavy bullets, 105 to 115 grain and mainly at 1000 yards for steel competition. The barrel length between 26-28” and feeding from a MDT magazine. I understand I can get slightly more velocity out of the Dasher versus BR. I have counted roughly 4 manufactures of BR brass, and three of dasher brass. So, can you give me the pros and cons of each and which would be better suited for my purpose? Being able to spot my misses thru the scope is important.
 
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Could always go 6 BRA and have easier case forming than dasher and run the same speeds. I know lots of top end PRS shooters run dasher and BRAs at around 2900fps. Both completely capable of that speed.


If you go with factory formed brass.....I'll just say make sure your reamer and dies are compatible with THAT specific makers brass.
 
With powders like RL-16, N-150, and N-540 the dasher has enough boiler room to get you near 3100. Having the extra gear in the tool box doesn’t cost a thing, and alpha brass is solid right out of the box.
CW
 
Unless you are heel bend to run @ 2900 fps+, with the accompanied loss in barrel life & increased recoil, I really don't see the point in anything other than a straight BR, which easily runs 105 class bullets at 2850fps. Just my view, in case of heavier (115-110 gr) bullets the BRA & Dasher probably makes a 100 or so fps difference.
 
Since you stated your going to shoot out to 1000yds.
the 6 Dasher, 6brx or 6bra would be a much better choice.
That extra 100 + or - fps does come in handy for pushing those heavier bullets.
You rarely see a straight 6br at a 1000yd event. Reason for that.
600yds. and in, then a different story.
The Dashers accurate FPS range is usually running about the same speeds as the 6bra and BRX.
You can find Dasher brass already formed, the 6bra and 6brx will have to be fire formed.
With a properly setup rifle, should be able to spot your hits or misses with any of the 3 no problem.
 
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I think nearly all of the 600 and 1000 yard group and score records are held by a 6 Dasher, 6BRA, 6BRAW, or 300WSM. In 2022 a buttload (official unit of measure….see below) of long range records fell to the Improved BR (BRA or BRAW).

A straight BR will shoot, but in conditions, I feel it won’t agg with the others.


A buttload = 491 liters
As I started digging into the word buttload, I was surprised to find that a “butt” is an actual unit of measurement. It’s an outdated term referring to a large cask used for liquids (esp. beer, wine, or water) or a specific unit of liquid measurement equivalent to 108 imperial gallons, or 491 liters. So yes, a buttload is a whole lot of liquid and it’s very specific.

CW

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Could always go 6 BRA and have easier case forming than dasher and run the same speeds. I know lots of top end PRS shooters run dasher and BRAs at around 2900fps. Both completely capable of that speed.


If you go with factory formed brass.....I'll just say make sure your reamer and dies are compatible with THAT specific makers brass.

I have a shooting buddy that uses factory dasher brass, and he encountered problems with heavy bolt lift on new brass in one of his rifles..... So I would reiterate this: make sure that the chamber, reamer and dies are compatible with that specific makers brass.
 
With powders like RL-16, N-150, and N-540 the dasher has enough boiler room to get you near 3100. Having the extra gear in the tool box doesn’t cost a thing, and alpha brass is solid right out of the box.
CW
What’s the throat erosion per 1000 rounds on the Dashers ?
 
What’s the throat erosion per 1000 rounds on the Dashers ?
I wish I could give you a solid simple number, but I cannot. I will try and explain, fair warning though, I do not always articulate my thoughts very well.

When dealing with a new barrel, the lands move less than one that has a few miles on it....... I just do not think it is linear.
Here is another curve ball, the amount of erosion can vary by what cleaning process you use, and what you consider clean..... or clean enough.
Of course, how you measure touch, and how proficient you are at your chosen method is another variable.

I personally have cleaned barrels every conceivable way, in my testing, I do not call it clean, until it is clean. In my testing, my rifles shoot better clean. I use Iosso and JB, and other stuff to clean,....... when I am done cleaning, my barrels are clean. I use the "the finding touch method" the Montana folks described here on the forum and Alex Wheeler posted on his website several years ago to find my new touch after each match or range session.

With all that said, after my barrels are settled in and have a few miles on them, I expect to see .002-.003" movement every 100 rounds. Every time I come up with something less, I get the borescope out and look to verify. My barrels generally get me 1800 rounds before the x count starts degrading.

On that note, I experimented with Lock-Ease lock fluid on one of my dasher barrels a few years ago. I applied lock-ease after every cleaning just like Tony Boyer described in his book. That barrel eroded just like all the others but it was still winning 600 yard benchrest matches at 2200 rounds. More testing is needed before I can hang my hat on this.

With the cadence I shoot at, the cleaning process I use, the temperature extremes we shoot in here in Western Colorado, it all adds up to the throat moving. I have a notion, my barrels erode more than that of other shooters due to how I shoot and how I clean. One well known 1000 yard shooter told me that he normally gets 800 rounds before he sees erosion. I thought I was doing something wrong when I heard this and changed my cleaning method. My groups suffered..... and I went back to my regular method.

Hope this helps
CW
 
One thing to keep in mind if you go Dasher. Not my choice but a good one of several available based on the BR case. Don't chase velocity. Top speed node is about 2970 to 2990. Over 3000 not only will consistent accuracy degrade but it gets hard on cases.In todays world if I was starting over it would be the 6BRA. But having picked the 6BRX close 25 years ago and doing well with it, including winning various 1000 yd steel matches I am standing pat.
 
I think nearly all of the 600 and 1000 yard group and score records are held by a 6 Dasher, 6BRA, 6BRAW, or 300WSM. In 2022 a buttload (official unit of measure….see below) of long range records fell to the Improved BR (BRA or BRAW).

A straight BR will shoot, but in conditions, I feel it won’t agg with the others.


A buttload = 491 liters
As I started digging into the word buttload, I was surprised to find that a “butt” is an actual unit of measurement. It’s an outdated term referring to a large cask used for liquids (esp. beer, wine, or water) or a specific unit of liquid measurement equivalent to 108 imperial gallons, or 491 liters. So yes, a buttload is a whole lot of liquid and it’s very specific.

CW

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That's interesting. Thanks. I do notice lots of folks walking around with a buttload.
 
One thing to keep in mind if you go Dasher. Not my choice but a good one of several available based on the BR case. Don't chase velocity. Top speed node is about 2970 to 2990. Over 3000 not only will consistent accuracy degrade but it gets hard on cases.In todays world if I was starting over it would be the 6BRA. But having picked the 6BRX close 25 years ago and doing well with it, including winning various 1000 yd steel matches I am standing pat.
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Same for me!
Wayne
 
I’m trying to decide between the two cartridges. Primary purpose will be shooting only heavy bullets, 105 to 115 grain and mainly at 1000 yards for steel competition. The barrel length between 26-28” and feeding from a MDT magazine. I understand I can get slightly more velocity out of the Dasher versus BR. I have counted roughly 4 manufactures of BR brass, and three of dasher brass. So, can you give me the pros and cons of each and which would be better suited for my purpose? Being able to spot my misses thru the scope is important.
Like Jeff I have stuck with the Brx but I have had and competed with Dasher, Brx and Brdx but if I was starting over I would go bra . I don’t know this but my guess would be you could actually compete while fire forming, not in benchrest but I see your mag feeding so I’m assuming you’re not using it for br. I was going to have my smith spin me up a brx for a predator rifle but I have changed my mind I’m going to get a bra ream, I’ve had numerous P.O Ackley chambers that were extremely accurate while fire forming.much simpler than dasher, brx and other br variants
Wayne
 
My experience mirrors Milligan as far as barrel life and cleaning. I do not chase erosion. I could care less. If I feel the rifle is losing a bit I retune, with the tuner, period. I typical get 2000 or a few more competitive rounds. Then again, I am from its about the Indian not the arrow line of thought.As bozo699 stayed making cases is far easier in the BRA than the other variants. Another thing, you will get the same vecloity in the BRA as the others with a grain of so less powder. All this being said, I love and trust my BRX.
 
I went from the BRA to a Dasher when they started making quality brass. I dump 32.5 Varget in there with a BR-4 primer and a high-quality Weber 103, after load development with an ES-11 & SD 5.2 my Av. speed is 3050. No drop tubes or FFing just to make the case. I AM new to this chambering, but so far, so good.

Regards
Rick
 
I went from the BRA to a Dasher when they started making quality brass. I dump 32.5 Varget in there with a BR-4 primer and a high-quality Weber 103, after load development with an ES-11 & SD 5.2 my Av. speed is 3050. No drop tubes or FFing just to make the case. I AM new to this chambering, but so far, so good.

Regards
Rick
Yep, 32.2 of VarGet and a 103 or 105 with a BR-4 is magic in a dasher.

CW
 

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