rockhound78
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Max 200 yards. Sierra 85gr bthp or Sierra 90 gamechanger or Nosler 95gr BT. Possible windy conditions.
What say you?
What say you?
6mm ARC deer bullet choice?
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rockhound78
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Yep, the Sierra 1530's. Thought about the higher BC of the gameking, because of wind drift
Precisionhunter417
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95g Hornady SST. Good weight class bullet for caliber, cheap, and blows up after penetration.
90 TGK in a 6BR is good for no more than 1/2 Minute, and punches nice holes in things. Extremely accurate, for a "game" bullet... though the BR is still a 50 yard gun. (by that, I mean every deer has been hit extremely well, as you would expect, but they still run 40-50 yards, consistently, and the shortest shot was 65 yards).
The first deer to that BR was 190-95 yards with a medium-loaded 85 Partition; again, 50-60 yard travel, with the bullet under skin of opposite shoulder, having traversed the heart to get there. Proud of the kid, putting it right on the elbow dot.
Black 95 Silvertip does the same speeds, in a short .243, and looks cooler doing it, if a small fireball doesn't upset a guy. Only one kill with it, though. Very confident in it's accuracy, in that Seven's factory tube.
We have more than a few deer kill't with the 85 GK in that same .243.
Because of the short barrel (18"), it cannot produce a LOT more speed than BR/ARC size stuff, without giant fireballs and concurrent accuracy drop-off...so, I don't worry about it, and focus on trigger control.
Not one has gone unrecovered, but one doe did hit almost 200 yards. Shot was 168 yards, slightly high, getting both lungs and lower vasculature, but no heart, and the bullet did not hit a rib on entry, so seemed to fail to expand much. Entrance was right between the ribs, exit was between the same ribs on opposite side, same size hole, more or less. Pretty disappointed in that one.
Might have been unnecessary, but that led to a bullet change, despite how well the 85GK performed in a dual-animal role. Dang. Coyotes don't like the crack of that little rifle one bit.
As for yours: I dunno. Windage under 200
yards is still going to be pretty manageable, with any of the above options. If it really worries you, go with the TGK.
Just know that your ARC is not going to make them disappear into a ball of sparks, at impact. Pay attention to their location at the shot, note specific direction of travel, and take survey tape. It'll be fine.
The first deer to that BR was 190-95 yards with a medium-loaded 85 Partition; again, 50-60 yard travel, with the bullet under skin of opposite shoulder, having traversed the heart to get there. Proud of the kid, putting it right on the elbow dot.
Black 95 Silvertip does the same speeds, in a short .243, and looks cooler doing it, if a small fireball doesn't upset a guy. Only one kill with it, though. Very confident in it's accuracy, in that Seven's factory tube.
We have more than a few deer kill't with the 85 GK in that same .243.
Because of the short barrel (18"), it cannot produce a LOT more speed than BR/ARC size stuff, without giant fireballs and concurrent accuracy drop-off...so, I don't worry about it, and focus on trigger control.
Not one has gone unrecovered, but one doe did hit almost 200 yards. Shot was 168 yards, slightly high, getting both lungs and lower vasculature, but no heart, and the bullet did not hit a rib on entry, so seemed to fail to expand much. Entrance was right between the ribs, exit was between the same ribs on opposite side, same size hole, more or less. Pretty disappointed in that one.
Might have been unnecessary, but that led to a bullet change, despite how well the 85GK performed in a dual-animal role. Dang. Coyotes don't like the crack of that little rifle one bit.
As for yours: I dunno. Windage under 200
yards is still going to be pretty manageable, with any of the above options. If it really worries you, go with the TGK.
Just know that your ARC is not going to make them disappear into a ball of sparks, at impact. Pay attention to their location at the shot, note specific direction of travel, and take survey tape. It'll be fine.
The 80gr flat base spire point bulk Remington bullets I have, do not fully penetrate even a yote. At 2,700 fps they blow up inside a yote. The bullet coming apart drops them in their tracks. Works well in a pasture with livestock grazing around. I would use a heavier built bullet for deer to get better penetration, unless I want to take a head or neck shot with no live stock present. The 80s hold to about .35 in my 6mmMongoose or 24 Varmint ARs-15s. Usually the bolt guns will do a bit better than the AR-15 group. The bolt is slower if you get a pack of yotes to dispatch or if we have a group of wild hogs show up at night, I switch to the 95 grain bullets in the AR-15 mag.
We killed I believe 4 last year with 90grn TGK's at about 2900fps. They killed deer although the bullets didn't hold together like a partition on shoulder bones.
This year I am using 85 gameking. I expect similar results.
At 200 yards on deer I can't imagine the wind being a factor.
This year I am using 85 gameking. I expect similar results.
At 200 yards on deer I can't imagine the wind being a factor.
I have other preferences. Although I do think you will be very happy with any of the offerings you are inquiring about. What ever one shoots best from your rifle would be my choice if I only had those three options.
Picking good to great shot angles may be rather important with any of the bullets will be advised with the selection of bullets offered.
I tend to favor all copper offerings that would also do very well. Other than lead free meat, the only other thing the all copper may do better is to penetrate very well with most all shot angles.
Picking good to great shot angles may be rather important with any of the bullets will be advised with the selection of bullets offered.
I tend to favor all copper offerings that would also do very well. Other than lead free meat, the only other thing the all copper may do better is to penetrate very well with most all shot angles.
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Actually not, the 244 Rem beat it to the market but with the wrong twist rate to handle heavier projectiles like the 243 could. The 6mm Rem was the updated 244 Rem with a faster twist rate and provides higher performance than the 243 can.The easy answer is go take a look at proven performers used in .243 Win … the original 6mm deer rifle .
There is a great selection of hunting class bullets in the +- 80gr weight.
rockhound78
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Found a box of 95 SST's. Will do some testing with them later this week.
Admittedly I took some poetic license and kept it short. Perhaps I should have offered up, “Since its introduction in early 1950’s, the .243 Winchester became the preeminent 6mm cartridge in North America. Known for its accuracy and mild recoil it became a popular choice for men, women, and children alike. It’s undeniable success is evidenced by the overwhelming number of game killed and the continuing strong demand for rifles chambered in this cartridge.”… or perhaps something more seductive and elegant of a description similar to what you might read on the back of a bottle of finely aged scotch or whiskey.
How do you think the 6mm Creedmoor will fair over time? With the shift toward AR15 for hunting, the 6mm ARC is positioned to capture a larger market share than 6mm Creedmoor. Of the current 6mm cartridges, I believe the 6ARC has the best chance of replacing .243 Winchester in popularity. Let’s agree to put a pin in it and circle back in 75 years to see how it all shakes out
How do you think the 6mm Creedmoor will fair over time? With the shift toward AR15 for hunting, the 6mm ARC is positioned to capture a larger market share than 6mm Creedmoor. Of the current 6mm cartridges, I believe the 6ARC has the best chance of replacing .243 Winchester in popularity. Let’s agree to put a pin in it and circle back in 75 years to see how it all shakes out
.243, 6mm Rem, 6mm Creedmoor & the ops 6mm ARC are all very well up to the task eluded to. Most significant difference from my perspective is barrel twist offered in any of the above. 2 of the above, including the 6mm ARC cartridges will handle the longer bullets currently on the market. All of the above would stabilize the bullets suggest by the op.
In the USA we have had a history of over kill. Driving a 3/4 ton truck to commute to a office for or light duty task has been as common as shooting a 300 magnum or 30-06 for taking a 90 lb deer, in each case more efficient options would do the job equally as well if not better.
6mm ARC may be the perfect deer rifle for a strong share of deer hunters IMHO. I tried it with an open mind & the end result is that the 6mm ARC is now my favorite deer rifle I have ever used. This Happens to be a bolt action CZ527 that I had re-barreled with a 22" light contour barrel. Glad I opted to give it a try.
My expectation is that 10 years from now that there will be more ammo & more rifles sold in 6mm ARC THAN 243 win. For deer hunting I recognize little or more likely no advantage in a cartridge any larger than 6mm ARC for the type of hunting most folks are doing.Admittedly I took some poetic license and kept it short. Perhaps I should have offered up, “Since its introduction in early 1950’s, the .243 Winchester became the preeminent 6mm cartridge in North America. Known for its accuracy and mild recoil it became a popular choice for men, women, and children alike. It’s undeniable success is evidenced by the overwhelming number of game killed and the continuing strong demand for rifles chambered in this cartridge.”… or perhaps something more seductive and elegant of a description similar to what you might read on the back of a bottle of finely aged scotch or whiskey.
How do you think the 6mm Creedmoor will fair over time? With the shift toward AR15 for hunting, the 6mm ARC is positioned to capture a larger market share than 6mm Creedmoor. Of the current 6mm cartridges, I believe the 6ARC has the best chance of replacing .243 Winchester in popularity. Let’s agree to put a pin in it and circle back in 75 years to see how it all shakes out
In the USA we have had a history of over kill. Driving a 3/4 ton truck to commute to a office for or light duty task has been as common as shooting a 300 magnum or 30-06 for taking a 90 lb deer, in each case more efficient options would do the job equally as well if not better.
6mm ARC may be the perfect deer rifle for a strong share of deer hunters IMHO. I tried it with an open mind & the end result is that the 6mm ARC is now my favorite deer rifle I have ever used. This Happens to be a bolt action CZ527 that I had re-barreled with a 22" light contour barrel. Glad I opted to give it a try.
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