6BR FL Sizing problem

[WyoWindage]

The Forester FL die I bought is collapsing my cases. Guess $29, you get what you pay for. These were once fired. I know the neck is sized too much, but planned to expand them. I also got a Redding body die and a Wilson Seater. Didn't get a Wilson neck sizer, as I borrowed a 30BR one. Found out it only sizes about half the neck (.267 bushing), so guess my next purchase is a new 6br Wilson. Think I will sent the Forester back to Midway. Am I doing something wrong with it? Thanks, Ron.
On the second case, I sized about .1" at a time, still no good, imperial wax.

 

[CatShooter]

The Forester FL die I bought is collapsing my cases. Guess $29, you get what you pay for. These were once fired. I know the neck is sized too much, but planned to expand them. I also got a Redding body die and a Wilson Seater. Didn't get a Wilson neck sizer, as I borrowed a 30BR one. Found out it only sizes about half the neck (.267 bushing), so guess my next purchase is a new 6br Wilson. Think I will sent the Forester back to Midway. Am I doing something wrong with it? Thanks, Ron.
On the second case, I sized about .1" at a time, still no good, imperial wax.

Forster makes very good 7/8x14" dies, and my gut feeling is that it is not the die. Find what the real problem is, or you will have it with your next die. (better pictures would help... a lot).

 

[bouddha]

Are you lubing the case necks or just the body? Also, a new Wilson 6BR will only neck size about 3/16 of the neck by design, the unsized portion keeps the neck centered in chamber.

 

[Terry]

What is the diameter of the necked down area?

 

[LRCampos]

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Five years ago, when I bought a NEW in box Forster 6BR die, I got some ruined cases when SEATING the bullets. The seating die was "resizing" the brass, that ended up similar to showed on this post.

I contacted Forster, explained the problem, send a couple photos of my ruined cases. They told me that something was wrong with the die and to send back.

It seems that the sleeve on the seating die was not for 6BR (I suspect it was for a 6PPC) and they sent me a new die. Once exchanged, the dies performed extremely well.


LRCampos.

 

[WyoWindage]

You guys are great! So many good ideas. Another poor pic, Cat. Best I can do with my old vivitar. I measured the Wilson sized neck, about .20". I never realized the 6br die would only size 3/16". Maybe I'm ok then. I would swear I FL sized a couple cases with the Forster a couple days ago. The last 2 I ruined, I had pulled the decapping rod up a little into the die. Maybe too far? I think the die necks down to about .260". I read somewhere (on this site I think) that folks say to send to Forster and have the neck honed out to your choice. $10+post. If the 30br wilson is working correctly, I can FL body with the Redding, I think. I may try the FL Forster again, my scotch says don't ruin anymore of those nice Lapua cases, lol. Thanks much. Ron

 

[bouddha]

Ron, fwiw the Wilson neck sizers ALL size only 3/16 of the neck...it's not peculiar to 6BR dies.

 

[CatShooter]

You guys are great! So many good ideas. Another poor pic, Cat. Best I can do with my old vivitar. I measured the Wilson sized neck, about .20". I never realized the 6br die would only size 3/16". Maybe I'm ok then. I would swear I FL sized a couple cases with the Forster a couple days ago. The last 2 I ruined, I had pulled the decapping rod up a little into the die. Maybe too far? I think the die necks down to about .260". I read somewhere (on this site I think) that folks say to send to Forster and have the neck honed out to your choice. $10+post. If the 30br wilson is working correctly, I can FL body with the Redding, I think. I may try the FL Forster again, my scotch says don't ruin anymore of those nice Lapua cases, lol. Thanks much. Ron

"The last 2 I ruined, I had pulled the decapping rod up a little into the die. Maybe too far?"...

Oh bad, bad.

The Foster sizer (both neck and full) have the expander button way up high, just in front of the neck.

It is just in front of the neck as one of their design advantages....

... but if you "pulled the decapping rod up a Little"... you effectively, closed off the neck entirely, and plugged it up, so there is no place for the case neck to go - so it crashes when you try to size a case!

Either turn the decapper back down, or remove it entirely.

 

[Judd]

Looks like to me it needs to be higher off the shell holder. I did that once with a new set of Hornady dies on a Creedmoor case.

 

[snakepit]

Looks like to me it needs to be higher off the shell holder. I did that once with a new set of Hornady dies on a Creedmoor case.

Like Judd I had a similar problem with a new Redding Die and my Lapua 6BR brass and so I called Redding. The technician told me it sounded like the die needed to be higher off the shell holder. I adjusted it while he was on the phone and it has worked great ever since.

 

[WyoWindage]

Tried a new case. Extended the decapper. Waxed. A little at a time. Touched shell holder. All good. Neck size to .267+. The clearance between expander and neck is obviously very critical, as Cat described. Will try again on some fired cases later. Thanks much. Ron.