6 Dasher Powders

[Frankr]

Guy's i'm new to the dasher, just got one and dont have it set up yet and shooting. It's a bartlein 26" Hv,8 twist.
it seems from what i can read RL15 is the powder to go to, with varget a close second..BUT i'm a little different I like to fill the case with a slow powder..so i was wondering if anyone has experimented with a slower full case load powder with the 105 gr range of bullets and what you have found...may save me some trouble..

But i was thinking, H414,AA2700,AA4350 RL17 ect.
I have heard some good things about RL17 and that is a powder i have..
The most consistant load i ever had in a 22-250 was a heavy dose of H414 incredible velocity and consistant over a large temp swing even into the high 90's in that cardridge, but i know the powder and you can get a bunch of it in a dasher case..

This is conversation and curiosity as to why the RL15 in the 33 to 34 gr range.

I have shot 34.0 gr of RL15 in a 6BR, with a 3 groove 14 twist barrel with a 70 gr bullet. I know the dasher holds more powder than that..Just wondering?

 

[savagedasher]

I have and love it top two shooter in fl 1000 yd gong match used H4350.Both shooting savages 6mm Dashers(1) Erick was Kreiger 28'' 8 twist Berger 105 hybrid 36.3 to 36.5 H4350 (2) I shot
savage 6 mm dasher Kreiger 30'' 7 1/2 twist 105 Berger hybrid 36.8 H4350 both cases were 103% to 108% full. So long drop tube and slow fill is needed. Bostromgunsmith built both we also had raz tuner brake combo. he sells them.I have no proof yet but I have not had any throat wear in over 600rds .My thought is longer burn curve spreads the pressure and heat over a longer area Quick load says almost 2000lb pressure .std is under 5. H 4350 is a extreme powder and very clean burning RL15 & varget are very dirty IMR4350 is not extreme and has longer kernels.we dont have AA 4350 Good Shooting Larry

 

[tenring]

H4895 works well with 105 gr. bullets.

 

[johara1]

RL-15, dirty? Varget,is dirty. A lot of records are held with RL-15,and the next pick would be H4895. Both shoot small with the 105H but you get more speed with the RL-15.....jim

 

[savagedasher]

Johara 1 Your correct on the records .My reference was to what was ask about slower burning powder. Yes varget and RL 15 are dirty shooting but they both are winners.
Good Shooting Larry

 

[Frankr]

Thanks for the reply's.. I have RL15,RL17. IMR4350..I really think i'm going to try some IMR4007ssc as it seems to be real close to the perfect burn speed to come real close to filling the case and producing good velocity..so we will see what kind of speed and accuracry i can get..I really hope to push 3,000 FPS out of this 26" tube..But yes the reccord shows that 2,950's + with RL15 is good medicine. I like RL15 in everything i have shot it in..But i was just thinking about getting a better case fill and maybe slightly better velocity. while still mantaining a low ES with good accuracry. I know for sure that some powder EVEN if they are extreem or not work better in certain cartridges..and dont work the same way in another cartridge in reguards to temperture changes,ES's ect.

 

[savagedasher]

Here is some quickload information I think is importen to throat life and is over looked by most Reloaders.
Inches traveled to get 95% speed H4350 19.1'' Imr 4007 ssc 19.6'' Varget 11'' Rl17 11.7'' Rl 15 11.3'' WW 760 17.1'' Ramshot Big game 11.6'' H4895 9.9'' Any time you have hi pressure and heat in a small area it going to burn faster. Iwould like to hear back on my thoughts from all. Good Shooting Larry

 

[johara1]

When you look at the results RL-15 and H4895 produce the smallest groups at 100 and 1000 for me. I have not found this with RL-17 and Varget and VV550 and H4350........ The proof is on the paper and in the record books......... jim

 

[savagedasher]

Guns are like women the come in all sizes and shapes and none like the same things. Find out what ever they like and keep them happy. Same with reloading Nobody has all the answers.

 

[savagedasher]

Not always 6+47 kick my butt changed it to a Dasher now its happy.
Good Shooting Larry

 

[signut]

Here is some quickload information I think is importen to throat life and is over looked by most Reloaders.
Inches traveled to get 95% speed H4350 19.1'' Imr 4007 ssc 19.6'' Varget 11'' Rl17 11.7'' Rl 15 11.3'' WW 760 17.1'' Ramshot Big game 11.6'' H4895 9.9'' Any time you have hi pressure and heat in a small area it going to burn faster. Iwould like to hear back on my thoughts from all. Good Shooting Larry

Looks like I need to buy the quickload program. Interesting info . Just for the heck of it, what does it show on H4831Sc or H1000 as to speed/pressure/heat ?

 

[kyreloader]

Here is some quickload information I think is importen to throat life and is over looked by most Reloaders.
Inches traveled to get 95% speed H4350 19.1'' Imr 4007 ssc 19.6'' Varget 11'' Rl17 11.7'' Rl 15 11.3'' WW 760 17.1'' Ramshot Big game 11.6'' H4895 9.9'' Any time you have hi pressure and heat in a small area it going to burn faster. Iwould like to hear back on my thoughts from all. Good Shooting Larry

Is there any data/experiments that show that faster powders are harder on throat wear?

I understand that conceptually it makes sense, but is there any proof that is the case?

 

[savagedasher]

Only proof i have is with my two guns and my gunsmiths gun we both changed from varget.
my gun (1) moved .008 in 800 rds.(2) his was maybe a little more, We both change to H4350 600 rds on mine gun ( 1) no change. gun(2) my gun smiths no change idon't know his rds count but 600 plus. My new gun (3) un fired 600 rds and i cant find any wear. My belief is that the further it takes to get 95%of the speed the longer the heat in inches is disperced. 11'' with varget to get 95% 19'' with H4350 to get 95% I'm very opean and would encourage everybodys thoughts. Good Shooting Larry

 

[essexboy]

Here is some quickload information I think is importen to throat life and is over looked by most Reloaders.
Inches traveled to get 95% speed H4350 19.1'' Imr 4007 ssc 19.6'' Varget 11'' Rl17 11.7'' Rl 15 11.3'' WW 760 17.1'' Ramshot Big game 11.6'' H4895 9.9'' Any time you have hi pressure and heat in a small area it going to burn faster. Iwould like to hear back on my thoughts from all. Good Shooting Larry

i have been using vv550, lapua 105 bullets and have approx 880 rounds down the barrel. The lands have moved 10 thou.

essexboy

 

[savagedasher]

Quickload says 13.7'' but i don't have your complete load and barrel length thanks.
Good Shooting Larry

 

[yat3b35]

I have and love it top two shooter in fl 1000 yd gong match used H4350.Both shooting savages 6mm Dashers(1) Erick was Kreiger 28'' 8 twist Berger 105 hybrid 36.3 to 36.5 H4350 (2) I shot
savage 6 mm dasher Kreiger 30'' 7 1/2 twist 105 Berger hybrid 36.8 H4350 both cases were 103% to 108% full. So long drop tube and slow fill is needed. Bostromgunsmith built both we also had raz tuner brake combo. he sells them.I have no proof yet but I have not had any throat wear in over 600rds .My thought is longer burn curve spreads the pressure and heat over a longer area Quick load says almost 2000lb pressure .std is under 5. H 4350 is a extreme powder and very clean burning RL15 & varget are very dirty IMR4350 is not extreme and has longer kernels.we dont have AA 4350 Good Shooting Larry

Do you know what velocity was obtained useing the H4350 ? My first 6 Dasher barrel was toast after 600 rounds useing R15 . Yes it was a very warm load ,but extreamly accurate . Thanks John

 

[savagedasher]

My one gun30'' barrel 36.9gr H4350 3105fps we have 4 other36.4gr 3040 fps. Today while shooting using a crony 30 shots 7 fps extreme spread.Testing on Thursday temp was 87deg 3037fps today temp started at 39 deg ended at 55 deg 3037fps. Good Shooting Larry

 

[savagedasher]

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