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6.5x55 Swede over a 260 rem?

I am considering a long action factory rifle over a 6.5 creedmoor build. The rifle is available in 6.5x55 or 260. Same action in either case.
Lapua makes brass for both.
24" barrel for both.
I have gone round and round on the internet most the afternoon and am still getting nowhere. History and hunting but no real modern load data for the 6.5x55 that is not specifically neutered for old surplus guns or highly irrelevant for a long range target rifle.
So..........any advantage to the Swede over the 260 in the 140 grain loadings in a modern long action rifle? Any relevant load recommendations or expectations using modern hodgdons powders?
Thanks.
 
i have both.
cheaper brass and more case capacity for the sweede.
I really like them both, but, if its on a long action i'm taking the 6.5x55.
 
The difference between them in a 30-inch barrel target rifle is around 100-150 fps MV with 140gn class bullets. Both give excellent precision in the right equipment.

IMO, the .260 (and its 6.5mm Hornady Creedmoor and 6.5X47mm Lapua ballistic contemporaries / competitors) are best suited to 120-130gn class bullets. They will handle 140s fine but rarely seem quite as comfortable and the calculated ballistics benefits are nil to modest. The 260 comfortably gives the 123gn Lapua Scenar 2,950 fps (many people run them at 3,000 fps with the small 6.5mm cartridge trio) and it's an amazing long-range performer for such a 'tiny' bullet - 1,417 fps retained MV at 1,000 yards with 7.6-MOA drift in a 10mph 90-deg crosswind. The 139gn Scenar at 2,800 fps, a similarly reasonable and attainable MV from 260 with a long barrel, also capable of being raised, is slightly slower at 1,000 yards with a marginal drift reduction. Yes, I know there are higher BC 6.5 140s available but their benefits over the 123gn Scenar (which appears to perform better on the range than any ballistics program predicts) don't seem to show up that much if at all.

That's my findings on the 260-class cartridges, but I'm sure many will disagree.

6.5X55mm in a modern action and with Lapua brass (Norma too I'd imagine, but I've no experience of using it) will safely run at the same sorts of pressures as .260 Rem Lapua case handloads and give identical life before primer pockets slacken. With a bigger case, more powder = more energy but at a lower efficiency in terms of muzzle energy produced per grain of powder and greater wear and tear on the barrel throat. My Savage 12 PTA with Bartlein 30-inch barrel rifle has got the 139gn Scenar almost to 3,000 fps, in fact it'll be over 3,000 as that was 2,999 fps average from an optical chronograph some feet ahead of the muzzle. This is a 'silly' load though as it was pushing the cartridge too far, beyond its ability to produce small groups, and almost certainly with a case life of only two or three loadings. That was with Viht N160, and a case-filling load of N165 produced superb precision (third-MOA groups) and 2,919 fps. With both of these powders being standard single-base, 'high energy' types - Viht N560 and the slower Alliant propellant grades - will likely provide a bit (50 fps?) more at the cost of yet higher barrel wear.

To my mind at any rate, the 6.5X55mm handles 140gn class bullets really well and the good choice of superb 139-142gn models available makes this bullet weight the obvious way to go. At ~2,900 fps MV, the cartridge becomes a truly competitive mid-range match round and viable 1,000 yard performer, although it'll always be at a disadvantage ballistically to the sevens starting with .284 Win sized models.

As is so often the case, it's a matter of balancing usage (discipline and distance), recoil, external ballistics, and barrel life. The 260 class trio will perform superbly at short to mid ranges with barely noticeable recoil in a heavy rested rifle; the 6.5X55mm loaded fully increases the viable competitive range and still offers great mid-range performance with very acceptable recoil making gun handling easy but probably knocks 40-50% off the 260's barrel life; 6.5-284 Norma loaded to the gills is still a great long-range number but gives only 900-1,200 rounds out of a barrel.

Before lots of hunter .260 Rem shooters put in posts telling me their rifles give fantastic performance with 140s, I'll add that I'm talking long-range slowfire target shooting here. Yes, the 260 is a very good perfomer on deer with 140gn bullets and that's likely the best bullet weight choice, although that's a guesstimate from my point of view since I don't 'hunt' (stalk deer we call it in GB). Likewise, the 260 and equivalents + 140s may be the best choice for Silhouette competitors - we're not allowed metallic Sillhouettes in the UK on 'health and safety' grounds despite the lack of reported accidents from those many countries that do shoot this discipline.

Since you're contemplating a 24-inch barrel factory rifle, the ballistic differences will be somewhat (heavily?) reduced. I'd probably go for .260 Rem in that scenario. 6.5X55 is a lovely cartridge to load and shoot with though, so it'd come down to tossing a coin on their respective abilities. On the other hand, if you're likely to sell the rifle within a few years, you have to consider that factor too. Over here in the UK, a 6.5X55mm factory job might actually sell a bit faster for a bit more (that reversed for custom short/mid range target / sniper / McQueens builds), but I'd imagine the 260 is better known and more desirable in the US?
 
d.id,
Though I'm not completely sure what you are looking for in terms of use, I just finally finished a build/conversion using a Ruger MKII Target Rifle Short Action (22-250 -useless as a target caliber for my purposes) as the donor rifle to become a 6.5x55 Swede. Now I shoot strictly Benchrest style and only 100 yds due to not so great vision, but have a Weaver T36 that helps me see those pesky small stick-on cross hairs on the target down range. My experienced gunsmith did all the work and we changed out the trigger to a Timney and the barrel is a Hart Match 1:9 (26.5" installed) plus we just added a Richard's Microfit Benchrest Stock with a 3" forend that is beded both at the receiver and the end of the stock to support the heavy MG barrel. Using Sierra 142's (1742C) VLD's being pushed by 36.1 gr of Varget in Lapua brass, this rifle both shocked and amazed me in the 5 shot groups she was now laying down consistently, mostly the size of a dime and a few nickels that I think were on me and not the rifle. Before changing the stock, I'd shot this rifle and 5 shot groups were easily in the quarter sized range @ 100 yds. And I'd tested several bullets and powder combination and Varget gave me the best result with IMR 4350 coming in at 2nd place. Hope that helps some.

Alex
 
I have both and have shot the barrels out of 3 260s. The 260s seem to be picky on loads esp in the 140 range. I personally feel that the 260 and smaller brothers are better suited for the 120 to 130 class bullets.

I also have had several 6.5x284s and loved them but they are just to hard on barrels for me. I went to the 6.5x55 to try and get better barrel life than what I got out of the 260s and 6.5x284s. I love the 6.5x55 its very accurate and seems to love the 139 to 140s and is easy on brass.

As for barrel life the jury is still out. My rifle seemed to really like H4350 and even though I tried slower powders they just could not come as close as the H4350 for my long range accuracy.

Knowing what I know now having shot most of the 6.5s I would go with the 6.5x55 over the 260 in a heartbeat. You have been given some good info by several of the guys who posted but the decision will be yours and you probably can't really go wrong with either but if you want to shoot the heavier bullet go with the 6.5x55 if you want to shoot the 120 to 130 range of bullets its a toss up as far as I am concerned, Good luck with your choice!!
 
Thanks folks, There does appear to be a clear winner hear in terms of heavy bullet capability. Sounds like it would take a acceptable hit in barrel life if pushed. I can certainly live with that.
I notice brass is running about $0.35 apiece less for the swede and my powder inventory should be able to get me running one way or another.
Since I am not worried about resale at all it sounds like a winner............... Thank you all.
 
i'm not sure if this is an option for you but my newest build is the 6.5x55, but an improved version. this should help with throat wear, according to Mr. Kiff. not to mention since the 6.5x55 has a lot of body taper in stock form, the improved version should nearly eliminate the need to trim.
I can't wait to finish it.
 
I agree with most of what has been said here. My target gun (Rem 700, Lilja Tactical Taper 26") is a 260. My hunting gun is a 6.5x55 - to take advantage of the 140s. If you aren't using a short action, you wouldn't have the problems of deep seating the 140s on the .260 and losing case capacity, but then, why not go for the 6.5x55AI on a longer action and really wring out the last few FPS?

The only other issue is the base diameter of the 6.5x55. US brass uses .308 head diameter, the Lapua uses the original, larger diameter - you'd need to open up your bolt face.

I like both for different uses.
 
I have both s 260ai and 6.5x55ai. They are both great cartridges. I have only spent time with the 260ai as the swede was only recently finished. My 260 is still hammering after 1200 rounds, shooting in the 590s. Im pumped to see the capabilities of the swede and assume moderate loads would give great barrel life given the larger case volume and long neck. Also if your using a savage the bolt face will not need to be opened up. I bought new lapua for 75. Lapua 260 is 100+ dollars.
 
savagedasher said:
6.5 +55 case max pressure on the case is 55000 psi. 260 Rem is 60000 psi. With that in mind I would look hard at the 260 or a 260 AI. Larry

Yes, that's true but these 'official' maxima are only in being thanks to the widespread availability of Swedish M94, M96 rifles, and the M96s that were subsequently cut down to the M38 short rifle form. While very well made indeed from Swedish steel and proof-fired at well over 60,000 psi, they are all 100 years or older now and risk being built out of less consistent quality steel employing less scientific heat-treatment methods than is the case with modern designs. The 6.5X55mm SKAN was also used in M94/95 Norwegian Krag-Jorgensens with its single bolt lug design and which is definitely best restricted to 45,000 psi loads not the official 55,000.

I can't speak for US made 6.5X55mm brass, but Lapua's cases are every bit as strong as those for higher rated cartridges, being at least as strong as .30-06, and probably matching those for .260 Rem and .308 Win. Before the 6.5-284 then 7mm cartridges swept all before them in international level F-Class, 6.5X55mm in both standard and AI improved forms were widely used often in seriously high-pressure loadings without any problems.
 
A7dave, I built mine on a Remington 700 and used Lapua brass and left the bolt face stock and had on problems at all with the brass. I think there is only a few thousands difference and the bolt face seems to have enough room to handle the Lapua cases.
 
Raptor said:
A7dave, I built mine on a Remington 700 and used Lapua brass and left the bolt face stock and had on problems at all with the brass. I think there is only a few thousands difference and the bolt face seems to have enough room to handle the Lapua cases.

On my 700 the bolt face also will handle Lapua brass. However, I did have to modify the cases to make the extraction groove wider to ensure 100% positive ejection.
As to the max. case pressure issue, I load this 6.5 x 55 Ackley in the upper node and am up to 6 firings so far with zero issues.
 
I've been loading 6.5x55 to about 60k psi the 1991 Rem 700's whole life. Use a slow powder like RL22 and a longer barrel to get a full burn and you'll be getting near 3000fps out of 140gr's. On a 24" only barrel i might go 260, however.

Also, the Lapua brass isn't a different diameter, it just has a thicker base ledge. The norma brass is evern better tho, IMO.
 
I want to say one thing about the 6.5x55 swede,it rocks for hunting and it holds alot of records in europe and is still popular too. I have a bone stock well used ruger markII in the swede and with 140 class bullets it easily is under 1 moa with lots of use from the previous owner,it so inspired me after building a .260 rem on a savage action that I am going to build one on a custom action in the near future.I feel the swede really does do better with the heavier bullets with better consistent accuracy.My ruger will shoot the 142 sierra matchkings at .7 moa out of a barrel that isnt looking too great.I cant imagine how nice it will be with a new brux barrel.
 
I have asked similar questions before and have gotten conflicting information, but have recently run into a person at my range that is shooting a custom made 6.5x55 on a Stiller action (300) and he is getting 139 grain bullets to 2900 FPS. This is 160 FPS over what Lapua loads their own 139 grain round, but does not seem extreme. his brass looked fine, and said he was getting around 8 shots before having any issues with primer pockets, and 10 reloads was the outlier. This may be the best of several worlds.
 
I have a bone stock Tikka T3 in 6.5 swede, I keep my loads at or under 58K PSI because I want the thing to have great barrel life, between lower pressures and slow powder it should last forever for me. That being said, I shoot the 139 Scenars over RL22 at 58K psi and am averaging 2890fps. I have a 260 in a Kimber Montana as well and I use it with bullets up to 130gr., anything over that I use the Swede. I have a box of Norma 160 gr that are super accurate as well. If you want to shoot the heavier bullets build the Swede and never look back.
 

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