6.5x47 won't resize

[twotwothree]

Hello, I have just shot brand new brass in my 6.5x47. The fired brass goes back in the chamber with little to no resistance on the bolt handle. I than run one through a forsters bump neck sizing die and tried to chamber it but it was very tight. I than decided to try the forsters full length sizing die. I screwed the die till it made contact with the shell holder than went 1/4 turn more. The round was still very tight in the chamber. The press is a lee press as are the shell holders. I than took the brass and f/l die to a friends house and after a few goes got them to chamber in the rifle. It seems as though the die is too long. Has anyone had this problem or know any solutions. Thanks

 

[Mudmarine]

What your doing sounds good, but without a stoney point or Hornady case gauge that will tell you exactly what’s going on with your brass, its a crap shoot to speculate.

Have you tried sizing without the neck mandrel installed? Case length is good?

 

[twotwothree]

I have a hornady guage on my calipers that measure to a datum point on the shoulder. It appears to get longer??.
I have been doing some reading and am thinking that the shell holder may be too thick.

 

[243winxb]

lee press

From Lee-ensure that you are adjusting the die so that there is no daylight between the top of the shell holder and the bottom of the die during the sizing process. (top of stroke) This is the preferred method because the act of sizing sometimes results in (press) flex that prevents the shell holder from touching the bottom of the die.
http://leeprecision.net/support/index.php?/Knowledgebase/List/Index/13/product-support

forsters bump neck sizing

Forster told me its possible to bump to much and change case body diameter, causing rounds to not chamber. I did not buy the die after reading there email.

the shell holder may be too thick

Deck height should be .125" +/- .001"

 

[JEFFPPC]

For starters the full length die should not contact the shell holder. Set that die up with the provided directions. If no directions leave a gap about the thickness of a dime between die and she'll holder then size a case and measure your bump, adjust tell you achieve about .002 and you should be good.

 

[243winxb]

forsters full length sizing die.

The instructions-

CASE SIZING PROCEDURE
1. Install the Die into any standard 7/8-14 thread reloading
press or Forster Co-Ax® Reloading Press (028271) so that
it makes contact with the shell holder when the ram is at its
uppermost position.
2. Turn the Die another 1/8 to 1/4 turn against the shell holder
to remove all play from the linkage system of the press.

You have the wrong press..

The expander ball can be to high in the fl die. Check its adjustment.

 

[JFrank]

Hello, I have just shot brand new brass in my 6.5x47. The fired brass goes back in the chamber with little to no resistance on the bolt handle. I than run one through a forsters bump neck sizing die and tried to chamber it but it was very tight. I than decided to try the forsters full length sizing die. I screwed the die till it made contact with the shell holder than went 1/4 turn more. The round was still very tight in the chamber. The press is a lee press as are the shell holders. I than took the brass and f/l die to a friends house and after a few goes got them to chamber in the rifle. It seems as though the die is too long. Has anyone had this problem or know any solutions. Thanks

There is no reason to attempt to bump a shoulder on brass that is not fully fire formed.
A Wilson case gage is a excellent datum based tool, inserting a Fired case will tell you when to adjust headspace.
Until then just size to chamber freely.
As stated above your Die is perhaps tightened too much, other reloaders have different methods however when setting up a Die I personally start with a .010 feeler gauge under the shell holder then screw the Die to touch, size a case and measure the body at the case shoulder junction also the .200 datum for comparison to a Fired case, I can adjust the Die in thousand up or down.
In the last picture is a case that needs to be headspaced

 

[DukeDuke]

I had the same issue in the same caliber with same brand of dies.
My gunsmith had to shave about .005 of the base of the FL sizer, problem solved.

 

[twotwothree]

Thanks for the replies. Ive had a good look at the lee press and it appears to be worn in the bushing that much that we the case goes into the there is a lot of movement upwards effectively increasing the gap between die and shell holder. I am starting to get into precision type reloading so it might be time to buy some better gear. On another note the f/l die produces an outside neck diameter of 288. after firing the diameter is 292. Is this ok or should I be looking at a bushing F/L die.

 

[JFrank]

Thanks for the replies. Ive had a good look at the lee press and it appears to be worn in the bushing that much that we the case goes into the there is a lot of movement upwards effectively increasing the gap between die and shell holder. I am starting to get into precision type reloading so it might be time to buy some better gear. On another note the f/l die produces an outside neck diameter of 288. after firing the diameter is 292. Is this ok or should I be looking at a bushing F/L die.

That’s fine; .004 will do just fine.
Both my presses are older than dirt, as long as the work it’s all good

 

[243winxb]

On another note the f/l die produces an outside neck diameter of 288. after firing the diameter is 292. Is this ok or should I be looking at a bushing F/L die.

The OD neck should be measured after sizing with the expander removed. This will tell you if die is over working the neck.

Information on the Redding website will tell you sizing fired brass down more then .008" may cause issues. Good info at Redding.

I like my Redding type S fl bushing die. Other brands are available.

 

[dstoenner]

I had the same issue in the same caliber with same brand of dies.
My gunsmith had to shave about .005 of the base of the FL sizer, problem solved.

That is exactly what I found out with my 2 dies. The Forster die is too long so it sizes back the body and because its shoulder part is too high the shoulder advances and you are left with too long a case head to shoulder dimension. If you have a go gauge, you can take out the stem and insert the GO gauge into the die and measure how much sticks out of the bottom. You will find it is maybe .110 to .115. I ground off .015 off of my 2 Forster dies and now I can use my Redding Competition shell holders to control just how much case set back I am getting.

David

 

[243winxb]

My gunsmith had to shave about .005 of the base of the FL sizer, problem solved.

That is exactly what I found out with my 2 dies.

I wonder if using a Forster Co-Ax® Reloading Press , with their "jaws" would fl size differently?? Or if the press allows more adjustment on shoulder bump? (Shorter head to datum.)

 

[Hengehold]

Hello, I have just shot brand new brass in my 6.5x47. The fired brass goes back in the chamber with little to no resistance on the bolt handle. I than run one through a forsters bump neck sizing die and tried to chamber it but it was very tight. I than decided to try the forsters full length sizing die. I screwed the die till it made contact with the shell holder than went 1/4 turn more. The round was still very tight in the chamber. The press is a lee press as are the shell holders. I than took the brass and f/l die to a friends house and after a few goes got them to chamber in the rifle. It seems as though the die is too long. Has anyone had this problem or know any solutions. Thanks

If you FL size a piece of brass the headspace may grow slightly (.001-.002) if the die is not making contact with the shoulder of the case.

It is not uncommon to install a FL size die until it makes contact with the case holder and still not be bumping the shoulder of the brass enough. That is precisely why Redding makes a set of stepped case holders. Get a set of these case holders and it will most likely solve the problem.

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-Trevor

 

[joshb]

If you FL size a piece of brass the headspace may grow slightly (.001-.002) if the die is not making contact with the shoulder of the case.

It is not uncommon to install a FL size die until it makes contact with the case holder and still not be bumping the shoulder of the brass enough. That is precisely why Redding makes a set of stepped case holders. Get a set of these case holders and it will most likely solve the problem.

https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/525874/redding-competition-shellholder-set-1-308-winchester-30-06-springfield-45-acp?utm_medium=shopping&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Reloading+-+Dies+&+Shellholders&utm_content=525874&cm_mmc=pf_ci_google-_-Reloading+-+Dies+&+Shellholders-_-Redding-_-525874&gclid=Cj0KCQjw4-XlBRDuARIsAK96p3DDJla2DwEBpdyp9o_XkOY6cK2mU9c0viXS2XNbxT1hgx3Qdc_0RZMaAjIpEALw_wcB

-Trevor

I looked at getting a set of those but they go +.002, +.004, etc. I don’t see any “minus” so I guess I have to grind a shellholder?

 

[JFrank]

I wonder if using a Forster Co-Ax® Reloading Press , with their "jaws" would fl size differently?? Or if the press allows more adjustment on shoulder bump? (Shorter head to datum.)

That’s a good question,
I’ve always heard good things about those presses.
If anyone knows the answer....
Report back”

 

[dstoenner]

It is not uncommon to install a FL size die until it makes contact with the case holder and still not be bumping the shoulder of the brass enough. That is precisely why Redding makes a set of stepped case holders. Get a set of these case holders and it will most likely solve the problem.

-Trevor

Actually the Redding competition shell holders work in reverse of what you are saying. Usually dies push the shoulder back too far. These shell holders lower the case head below the normal shell datum line so the shoulder is not pushed as far back.

David

 

[JFrank]

I’m confused ^^
If the die headspaces too much I would not screw the die down as much.
On the other hand if I can’t get enough headspace because of chamber length issues or die is slightly too long then a shorter shell holder height is in order OR a different Die.
I haven’t had to alter a die or a shell holder as of yet.

(Perhaps because I don’t try and bump a case that isn’t fire formed)

 

[twotwothree]

Thanks everyone, Ive got it going ok now. Its quit funny that the brass starts to get longer before you get to where you want to be