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6.5 x 57???

Beruisis

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Has anyone here put a rifle together based on this round?
I've heard good things about it.
I have 7x57 that I cannot get better than 1.5" groups & I'm considering this 6.5 chambering as I like the 57 case.
Have also considered the 257 Roberts AI but I bet the 6.5 would be more inherently accurate.
Anyfeedback would be appreciated.
Beruisis
 
The 6.5x57 is a good cartridge, but so is the 7x57. You have to find which bullet your barrel and chamber likes to shoot. If you don't try different bullets, powder etc. it might not shoot any better than your 7mm.
 
I have 7x57 that I cannot get better than 1.5" groups & I'm considering this 6.5 chambering as I like the 57 case.

What action and stock is this 7x57 built on? This alone can make a big difference as to accuracy.

Has anyone here put a rifle together based on this round?
I've heard good things about it.

Sure, several over the last few years. The x57 family of cartridges is popular for the Mauser folks mostly although the 6.5mm version gains in popularity with the rising success of everything 6.5mm is the last decade. The drawback as always is the OAL difference between being used in a short action as Remington did or buying a custom medium length action such as the Defiance MX which will handle up to 3.2" OAL.

Have also considered the 257 Roberts AI but I bet the 6.5 would be more inherently accurate.

The .257 Roberts and the AI version are two superb, mild mannered cartridges which enjoyed most of heir success in late '30s through the early 70s. The .25 caliber cartridges have since fallen out of favor for whatever reasons. This in no way takes anything away from the performance of these cartridges at all. Either cartridge will handle the chores of shooting varmints up through hunting mule deer.

Regards.
 
Rifle is a CZ Classic long action, rebarrelled with Lothar Walther 9.5 twist, 25".
single set trigger; 2 lbs down to 1 lb.
 
Has anyone here put a rifle together based on this round?
I've heard good things about it.
I have 7x57 that I cannot get better than 1.5" groups & I'm considering this 6.5 chambering as I like the 57 case.
Have also considered the 257 Roberts AI but I bet the 6.5 would be more inherently accurate.
Anyfeedback would be appreciated.

There are a lot of things that affect accuracy. However, the particular cartridge is not likely to be a significant one. Barrel, bullet, velocity, seating depth, powder, primer, chamber tolerance, stock quality, action to stock bedding, etc are probably all bigger factors.
 
There are a lot of things that affect accuracy. However, the particular cartridge is not likely to be a significant one. Barrel, bullet, velocity, seating depth, powder, primer, chamber tolerance, stock quality, action to stock bedding, etc are probably all bigger factors.

Don't forget the crown. I have cured a number of so so shooting rifles by simply taking a round head brass bolt and chucking it into a drill and putting a little valve grinding compound on the bolt head and muzzle end and holding the bolt against the muzzle and running the drill on slow speed for about 30 seconds or so. It will center itself and cut a new crown quickly.
 
Rifle is a CZ Classic long action, rebarrelled with Lothar Walther 9.5 twist, 25".
single set trigger; 2 lbs down to 1 lb.

May I ask what your load was that shot that best group you mentioned and was that at 100 yds? BTW, if you punch in "6.5 X 57 Caliber" into your Search engine, you'll find a number of articles and responses from guys who shoot that round, complete with the powder loads and bullets that work for them. Might give you some ideas before you change to another caliber.

Alex
 
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6.5X57mm has long been a popular deerhunting round in continental Europe, especially Germany, for those who wanted a bit more performance than the 6.5X54 M.S. produces. This is partly because 6.5mm cartridges have a much longer history there in this role than in the US going back to the turn of the 18th/19th centuries, and also because many European countries had restrictions on civilian ownership of rifles chambered in 'military cartridges', ruling out equivalent numbers such as 6.5X55mm and 7X57 for most of the last century.

It is a nice cartridge, but doesn't do anything that the 6.5X55 can't do, nor 260 Rem or 6.5mm Creedmoor. It can't do anything either that 7X57mm with decent handloads doesn't do better, although it produces a bit less recoil. As said above, the 257 Roberts (and 6mm Remington for that matter too) are basically the same thing taken down two more calibre steps. The 257 seems to be one of those 'happy' combinations that work exceptionally well, better than the paper specification would suggest.

If a modern and/or well-built 7X57mm rifle - and we still don't know what make, vintage or type produced this question - can't better 1.5" 100 yard (assumptions again!) groups then there's a problem with the rifle not the cartridge. The old Mauser shoots very well in a good rifle, and amazingly well in 100 year old Mauser service rifles. I owned a long DWM M1895 Boer War (1898-1902) souvenir rifle many years ago that externally was not a looker (and I mean really rough!!!), had a mismatched bolt, but had a good bore and it shot 10-round 2-inch 100 yard groups with handloads shot off the elbows with sling support and through the really basic 'partridge' foresight and simple leaf rear with a tiny V as the sight-form. I currently have two Chilean 7X57 Mausers, a DWM M1895 and Steyr M1912. The latter's first range outing earlier this year to see if it worked and do some load development saw 1.75 to 3-inch groups off the bench with handloads despite my near 70 year old eyes having real difficulty with the crude iron service rifle sights. I also have an early 1950s BSA 'Hunter' deer rifle in the calibre and in original condition with a contemporary 4-10X40 Pecar 'scope (quality German make). It shoots just over the inch with old European factory ammo, but I know that its previous owner's handloads could halve that - which is what I hope to achieve when I get around to doing some loads for it. Although these early post-war Beezers were superbly made, short of getting a one in a thousand example, I wouldn't expect them to match a good modern rifle from Ruger, Savage, Sauer, Tikka and suchlike.

The other factor may of course be ammunition. Frankly I've rarely been impressed by US manufactured metric rounds for older rifles - 6.5X55, 7X57, and 8mm Mauser - from the mainstream companies. They have been downloaded so far in the interests of avoiding problems with old clapped out surplus rifles or weak models that they usually perform very poorly. Some Hornady 140gn PSP 6.5X55 ammo I tried a few years ago in a Savage PTA Based F-Class rifle with a 30-inch Bartlein struggled to better two inches at 100 off the bench. It had such low MVs that a bit of QuickLOAD modelling suggested it likely only produced 35,000 psi, and there was a 120 fps ES from a 5-round string !! If you knew not6hing about the 6.5X55, this experience would have given a completely false impression of the cartridge's abilities. (The rifle shot under a third-MOA, sometimes 5 in 0.15" at 100 with 140gn Berger LR BT handloads.)
 
7x57 is an awesome round! it's not cool these days since everyone has magnum on the brain lol

There are a couple of easy things you can do that can make a huge difference and not get into your pocket too bad, first off I'd check to see that the barrel is not contacting any portion of the stock or free float the barrel to where you can slide a business card between the barrel and stock all the way from the fore end to the receiver.

Bed the action, this is probably one of the easiest but scary things you can do if you have no idea on how to do it but will make a great difference in how the rifle shoots.

Torque the action screws to a set torque then test different values, sort of a PIA but can be helpful.

Do you reload and are you reloading these rounds? if so what components are you using? Later,

Kirk
 
My load has been the 162 gr. Amax bullet,47.5 grs H4831, Norma bras & BR2 primers. This load consistently delivers 1.5" @ 100 yds. Checking back on some old targets I found a load I tested with 160 gr. Nosler Partitions with 46.0 grs IMR 4350 that delivered .75".
Rifle has been pillar & glass bedded with free floated barrel channel.
None of the 140 - 150 gr weight bullets tested came close to 1" group @ 100 yds which I found disappointing for a 9.5 twist barrel.
I've decided to stay with the 7x57. I need to test torqueing the action screws some as Ksmirk suggested.
Thanks for all your suggestions.
Beruisis
 
For the record and I was disappointed but I never could get the Amax to shoot from any caliber but my .224's, I've got a Winchester 670 that I got due to the fact the guy just could not get it to shoot so I bought it for the action... got to playing with it and after a good cleaning and a couple of passes to remove copper from the barrel along with floating and bedding this rifle will put 3 shots that you can cover with a quarter :) the cool thing about it is that just a little work and this factory rifle shoots lights out and cheap!

I've always been told that if you want to see if a rifle will shoot use Sierra or Berger bullets, if it were me I would try to find a box of Sierra bullets, work you up a few loads normally I go from mid point to a grain over max in .3-.5 increments and keep an eye out for pressure! most of the time you'll see your best accuracy when you get real close to the max book listings BUT ALWAYS work up to it!

Don't give up on her I'm sure she just hasn't found what she likes yet. Oh how many rounds on the barrel? I've seen some that will take several rounds before it calms down, built a 308 for my little brother and I was wondering about that barrel but when we got to about the 70-80 rounds it finally calmed down and is shooting well. Later,

Kirk
 
Kirk, its funny you mentioned the Bergers. I got a few of the 140 grs & I'm going to try them with three different powders & also the 160 gr Partition load that I tested previously. I don't know that the Bergers are my first choice for hunting deer & hogs though.
To answer your question, this barrel probably has 150 rds down the tube.
Thanks again for the advice.
Beruisis
 
Not a problem! I hope I shed a little light. With the 140's I'd stick with the H4350, load a few rounds in half grain increments and see if one pops out at ya. Best of luck to ya. Later,

Kirk
 
My load has been the 162 gr. Amax bullet,47.5 grs H4831, Norma bras & BR2 primers. This load consistently delivers 1.5" @ 100 yds. Checking back on some old targets I found a load I tested with 160 gr. Nosler Partitions with 46.0 grs IMR 4350 that delivered .75".
Rifle has been pillar & glass bedded with free floated barrel channel.
None of the 140 - 150 gr weight bullets tested came close to 1" group @ 100 yds which I found disappointing for a 9.5 twist barrel.
I've decided to stay with the 7x57. I need to test torqueing the action screws some as Ksmirk suggested.
Thanks for all your suggestions.
Beruisis


My dads 7x57 shoots the 162gr eld-m a half minute better than the 162gr amax. Might be worth a try. IMR 4350 Powder
 
Have you tried different seating depths. I assume you have but in my 7x57 experience they can be sensitive. It's a great round and your rifle should do much better.

Joe
 
Have you tried different seating depths. I assume you have but in my 7x57 experience they can be sensitive. It's a great round and your rifle should do much better.

Joe
I could never get the 162gr A Max to shoot from a beautiful Chilean Mauser. I think the A Max is too long for the 10" twist of the old rifles, it shot the 140gr Partition (?) really well. My go to bullets are always the Sierra Match Kings. The Swedish Mauser with a 7.6" twist and 140gr bullets is usually a sub MOA combination.
 
The 'old rifles' have a one in 8.66" twist rate. That's what Mauser chose for the M1892 experimental rifle that with improvements became the 1893 Spanish model and was later sold in scores of thousands as the M1895 to South American countries, the Boer Republics and others. When later stronger '98 based actions such as my Steyr Chilean M1912 superseded the 95s, rifling twist rates and the long chamber freebore / throat form developed for the original 173gn FMJRN bullet at 2,295 fps were left untouched. I shoot the long 180gn Sierra MK in the M1912 at a very low MV and it performs very well.

The Swedish Mauser is a 6.5, so its twist rate has no relationship to that needed for 7mm cartridges.
 
Has anyone here put a rifle together based on this round?
I've heard good things about it.
I have 7x57 that I cannot get better than 1.5" groups & I'm considering this 6.5 chambering as I like the 57 case.
Have also considered the 257 Roberts AI but I bet the 6.5 would be more inherently accurate.
Anyfeedback would be appreciated.
Beruisis
I have been hunting Whitetail Deer with what is probably a Guild built Ex military action 98 Mauser in 6,5x57mm for the last 15 years. Claw mounted 4x German scope and double set triggers. I shoot S&B 131 gr ammo in it and at 100 yds it is 3/4 MOA rifle. I hunt in heavy woods and all the deer I have harvested have been shot at 50 yards or less. One shot is all any of them needed. I do a lot of reloading but I bought 6 boxes of ammunition and at one shot per year, I have not found it necessary to reload for this rifle. It is a very pleasant rifle to shoot, light to carry and light recoil.
Bob L.
 
Out of curiosity have you tried any flat based bullets in your testing?

Yes Sir. Barnes, Hornady & Speer. Unfortunately they gave the worst accuracy.
 

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