6.5 Creedmoor / Berger 130 hybrid

[ballisticdaddy]

I currently am using the 140 Berger hybrids but picked up a few thousand of the 130 Berger hybrids and was curious what velocity can be reached using Lapua (SRP) brass with H4350? Running the numbers if it can reach 3,000 fps out of a 28" Bartlein barrel it should hang right with the 140's

 

[Texas10]

I was getting 2950 with the Berger 130 VLD and RL-17. H-4350 gave me about 100 fps slower but better accuracy at 800 yds. YMMV.
26 inch, 8 twist varmint wt. barrel.

Have you tried the 142SMK yet?

 

[dstoenner]

I use the 130’s in a 260 rem for mid range f-class. I originally was running 44.5 h4350 and getting 3050 in a 30 inch barrel. But I had a few primers blown. I backed it down to 44.0 and my velocity is 2975.

They really shoot. For me they seem to be insensitive to jump and powder. I run them about .025 off the lands but only adjust every 500 to 1000 rounds. BTW I also see the Berger 140’s to be the same

David

 

[ballisticdaddy]

I was getting 2950 with the Berger 130 VLD and RL-17. H-4350 gave me about 100 fps slower but better accuracy at 800 yds. YMMV.
26 inch, 8 twist varmint wt. barrel.

Have you tried the 142SMK yet?

I have tried the 142 smk's yet....need to burn through all these 130's first...appreciate the reply!

 

[ballisticdaddy]

I use the 130’s in a 260 rem for mid range f-class. I originally was running 44.5 h4350 and getting 3050 in a 30 inch barrel. But I had a few primers blown. I backed it down to 44.0 and my velocity is 2975.

They really shoot. For me they seem to be insensitive to jump and powder. I run them about .025 off the lands but only adjust every 500 to 1000 rounds. BTW I also see the Berger 140’s to be the same

David

I am trying to get this rifle set up for MR matches as well and shot some ammo from Copper Creek with the 130 hybrid in Lapua brass and got 2975ish right out of the box. Working up some hand loads I got up to 43.2 grains which was right at 2954 so figured 3000 was obtainable as i got no pressure signs so far.

 

[Regnar]

I currently am using the 140 Berger hybrids but picked up a few thousand of the 130 Berger hybrids and was curious what velocity can be reached using Lapua (SRP) brass with H4350? Running the numbers if it can reach 3,000 fps out of a 28" Bartlein barrel it should hang right with the 140's

Whete did you find some 130 Hybrids!

 

[ballisticdaddy]

Whete did you find some 130 Hybrids!

Worked out a deal on a Borden built Eliseo R1 tube gun and managed to get 1000 Berger 130 hybrids, 16 lbs of H4350 and 2 bxs of Lapua brass in the package and the rifle seems to be a shooter

 

[Laurie]

The 130gn Berger VLD, AR-Hybrid Tactical, and 140gn Target Hybrid have identical Litz derived and tested 'form factors' (ie the drag they produce against the G7 'reference projectile'). The trio are rated as 0.922-0.924 which given the test regime's accuracy means there's nothing much if at all between them and that they produce 7-8% less drag than the G7 reference (form factor = 1.000).

In such a case where two bullets with different weights have identical form factor values (but different BCs as weight/calibre determine SD, the other component of BC) if loaded to equivalent MVs (those that produce identical ME values), the heavier bullet has a higher trajectory, but less wind drift. So as a purely F-Class type tool, the 140 Hybrid would be a slightly better choice all other things being equal. The all other things being equal caveat is the rub of course as it covers non external ballistics issues such as precision, recoil, whether the load stays in tune over long periods and different weather conditions. MV too might vary from equivalent levels according to the pressure / load that gives smallest groups and/or ES/SD values.

Taking the 130gn AR-Hybrid against an existing 140gn Hybrid load that shoots very well at say 2,850 fps MV.

140gn @ 2,850 = 2,525 ft/lb ME
130gn @ 2,957 = 2,524 ft/lb ME ('equivalent' loading)

At 1,000 yards, Berger's ballistic calculator gives the pair the following results

130 / 2,957 fps .................................. 1,523 fps / 7.1 inches per 1 mph crosswind change
140 / 2,850 fps .................................. 1,539 fps / 6.76 inches per 1 mph crosswind change

So in any give wind change, the 130 will move around a third of an inch more per single mph wind when corrected to a 90-degree equivalent.

 

[Beeman]

I don't have a 6.5 Creed but shoot the 130 Berger Hunting out of my RBROS 6.5X47. With more capacity in the Creed I would think 3000 fps should be doable. I load 42.2 gr of H4350 and this gets me 2975 fps out of a 26" Broughton. Drops confirmed out to 910 yds; far as my property allows me to shoot. The 130 Berger Hunting also works awesome on deer.

 

[Front Royalty]

I don't have a 6.5 Creed but shoot the 130 Berger Hunting out of my RBROS 6.5X47. With more capacity in the Creed I would think 3000 fps should be doable. I load 42.2 gr of H4350 and this gets me 2975 fps out of a 26" Broughton. Drops confirmed out to 910 yds; far as my property allows me to shoot. The 130 Berger Hunting also works awesome on deer.

How well do the hunting VLDs shoot on paper for you?

 

[Beeman]

They shoot very good on paper and steel. Limiting factor is I’m not the greatest shot. But I do have some good days. Last time out it shot about 1.5” group at 500 yds. Usually holds under half MOA unless the wind gets me. What really impressed me with the 130 Hunting was how good they worked on deer. Shot 5 cull deer in Texas from 80 to 300 yds. All exited even a hard quartering shot. Total devastation and all DRT. The 130 Accubond was no slouch out of my light weight 6.5x47 either at 2900 fps.