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6.5-284 Showing Pressure, What Next?

I have a hunting rifle in 6.5-284 NORMA built on a Ruger 77MkII action. The barrel is a 26" #4 Krieger 1:8 twist. With 140g AMAX's, max COAL base to tip is 3.092" to the rifling. Best accuracy came in at 3.050" COAL. I have gone through a load workup with it according to the cartridge guide on this site. The high accuracy node is showing at 52.5g H4831.

With Norma brass, I was getting enough case head expansion that the fired cases met resistance going onto the shellholder. Using Lapua brass, the shellholder test does not indicate excessive case head expansion. Though I am seeing some primer flattening, it does not appear to be excessive. Bolt lift and extraction feel normal. However, the Lapua cases are showing very faint marks from the ejector slot. The marks were so faint that I did not see them when I inspected the cases at the range. I only spotted the marks under direct light at my reloading bench.

I have not chronoed the rounds, so I don't know what velocity I am actually getting. I am concerned enough about the ejector marks that I am inclined to pull the bullets from my remaining rounds and work up with a different powder rather than back down to the lower node. I don't remember exactly where the lower node came in and can't access my notes at the moment. I do remember that it was low enough on the workup that using that node would likely put me at a velocity low enough to defeat the purpose of shooting the 6.5-284 in the first place.

I am considering doing my next workup with RL-17, H4350, or Retumbo. Because of the relatively short COAL to the rifling (shorter than I expected for the NORMA version of the chambering), I am thinking that I am dealing with reduced case capacity compared to what was used to make up the cartridge guide on this site. That makes me lean more toward slightly faster powders such as RL-17 or H4350, rather than going a step or two slower with Retumbo.

This is my first 6.5-284. I don't have a lot of experience with the cartridge, so I don't know if I am on the right track or not. I would appreciate any advice from experienced 6.5-284 shooters.
 
I have always found that Norma brass expands a lot at high pressures and the primer pockets really get loose after 2-3 firings at max pressures.
Bill
 
Do you know which reamer was used for your chamber?? I had a problem early on with one of my rifles. It was reamed for I believe the Winchester brass and when I used the Norma in it I got pressure very early in my load work up. I traded it to a friend who had a ton of WW brass and then built another one and had it set up for the Lapua Match brass and it worked great.

Its been a long time ago though and my memory isn't what it used to be. In fact I had some of the first Norma brass made and wound up with 2 different lots because they kept changing it.
 
The barrel was chambered and installed by the Krieger factory shop. I specified 6.5-284 NORMA, but the short throat length has me wondering if they used the Winchester reamer instead.
 
Maybe I should re-phrase my question(s). To summarize:

Should I be concerned by the ejector slot marks on my Lapua brass absent other pressure signs?

Given my short base to tip COAL (3.092) with 140 AMAX's, and the correspondingly reduced effective case capacity, would I be better off by switching from H4831 to faster powder like H4350 or RL-17 or to a slower powder like Retumbo?
 
With a max COL using Hdy 140 BHTP at 2.955", H4831sc was still only about 93% case capacity according to QuickLoad. I'm pretty sure that H4350 is like 86%. I've been using RL-25 for 96 ~ 102% (low node, high node) case capacity and RETUMBO is very similar density as I recall.
RL25 burns slightly cooler than H4831 or H4350 and I'll take a look at the heat index for RETUMBO when I get QL up later.
 
I would not worry too much about the ejector marks if no other signs show up. I have a 6.5 x 284 with a Kreiger barrel and I reached the max with 52.0 grains of H4831sc. It was running around 2950 and shot lights out. Made the mistake of shooting it in 100 degree weather and with the pressure increase I blew up some bullets and had real pressure problems in the brass. I went home and worked up a load with H4350, attained the same velocity (with no pressure signs), and it shot even better. Try H4350 - it worked for me.
 
Ive had good luck with H4831 and VV165 and 140 Amax and 140 JLK. But the slower powder may give better results in a barrel that short, most of the 6.5-284s ive seen at the trange have all had 30 in tubes. H4350 is going to be my next try with 123s.
 
louielouie said:
With a max COL using Hdy 140 BHTP at 2.955", H4831sc was still only about 93% case capacity according to QuickLoad. I'm pretty sure that H4350 is like 86%. I've been using RL-25 for 96 ~ 102% (low node, high node) case capacity and RETUMBO is very similar density as I recall.
RL25 burns slightly cooler than H4831 or H4350 and I'll take a look at the heat index for RETUMBO when I get QL up later.

I keep forgetting about load density in this cartridge. I would be very interested in any insight that could be gained from QL. Thank you for passing that information along!
 
Gonzos and ebb, thank you for your insights. It looks like a case could be made for going to a slower or a faster burning powder. I may have to try them both!
 
I think H4350 is the way to go.
I've had and been around others who have had dozens of extremely accurate 6.5-284's, and they all used H4350 with the 140-142 class bullets. Don't worry about the case fill ratio of H4350 in the 6.5-284.
 
Well, it's looking more and more like I will be doing some head to head testing. That's not really a problem, though, because I have the powders I need on hand.

I think I will try H4350, RL-17, and Retumbo and see where that takes me. The bummer is I won't be able to do this until Octoberish.
 
H1000 was always the powder that shot best in my 6.5x284. 56g was the load that I shot with the 140s but 54.5g also shot extremely well. For a hunting rifle, I think you may like the additional velocity that H1000 will afford you over H4831SC- I know I did.
 
kyreloader said:
H1000 was always the powder that shot best in my 6.5x284. 56g was the load that I shot with the 140s but 54.5g also shot extremely well. For a hunting rifle, I think you may like the additional velocity that H1000 will afford you over H4831SC- I know I did.

I am glad to know that you had such good results with H1000 in your 6.5-284. What bullet and COAL did you use?

I am given to understand that H1000, IMR 7828 SSC, Ramshot Magnum, and Retumbo have all been known to perform well in the 6.5-284. I intend to begin my evaluation of that burn rate range with Retumbo, since I have some on hand.
 
It has been a long time, and I am not up to date on the subject, but Norma ran at least 4 generations of 6.5 x 284 brass -- and one of the generations was recalled. After one of the Nationals at Hawks Ridge, I threw my fired brass in the trash as it was shot. I gave away 475 new to Scott Fletcher to shoot in his varmint rifle. I had one batch of Norma that would not hold primers in the new brass, i.e., I could seat the primers, tap the rim of the brass on my bench top, and the primers would fall out. The only pierced primer I ever had blew a hole in the face of a BAT action -- 6.5x284 Norma brass with a mild load of H4831 SC.


I don't know what your problem is, but I know I would not try to solve it with 6.5 x 284 Norma brass. Just saying.
Others may have more current information. Good luck.

Jim Hardy
 

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