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6.5-284 moly loads and velocity.

I just picked up a Savage model 12 F class in 6.5-284.After breaking in the barrel I started working on a load using Lapua brass,CCI BR2 primers,H4831sc,and moly coated 142 smk bullets.

51.5 grains seated .001 off the lands shot .490 five shot group @ 200 yards. With a 30" tube velocity was 2815,2816,2819,2819 and 2831. My question is should I leave well enough alone or push for a little more velocity. Is 2800 fps enough when I shoot out to 1000 yards? I'm new to this caliber and I haven't seen any moly data for it.But it seems like the non moly guys are getting 2950 out of it.

I dont shoot competitively but I am a serious die hard target shooter that spends many hours a week trying to improve.
 
Welcome to the wonderful world of the 6.5 X 284. Here is a little chestnut about velocity. The target doesn't care how fast the bullet was that missed. Accuracy first.

2800 fps will get a 142 well past 1,000 supersonic. There is an accuracy node at 2950 fps,more or less) for most rifles with the 139-142 gr bullets which is quite a bit flatter shooting to 1,000.

Generally factory barrels are slower than a good aftermarket barrel, but I can't see why 2950 fps isn't eaasily doable in a 30" factory barrel.

H4831 is a good choice, lots of highly competitive shooters use it. Didn't work as well for me and I settled on H4350 despite being told it's too fast for the cartridge and the case fill percentage is low. Yeah yeah, it also gave me single digit ES and SD and it is very very accurate in my rig. Did I mention that it is very very accurate in my rig? Maybe I should mention it again. RL-22 worked pretty good too.

But being as barrel life is limited, and even a little more limited shooting 20 round strings, once you find a decent load stop diddling around and learn to shoot the load. I know I pretty much used up my first barrel working up a load, and the second barrel learning to shoot the load.

A good 6.5 X 284 load is very forgiving. It shoots flat, cuts through the wind pretty well, and is better,sometimes much better) than 1 moa to 1,000 if the nut behind the trigger is properly adjusted.

I've shot moly for years, pretty much since the whole moly thing started. I've found it to work well in factory barrels but the results in a top quality aftermarket barrel ranged anywhere from pretty limited to not noticable. So I don't use moly in any of my competition rifles. I did learn to pre-treat the barrel with an oil/moly mix before firing the first shot in a session.
 
Thanks for the reply rust.I'm gonna work my way up to 52.5 and see how it groups.I might have to give that 4350 a try.I promised myself when I bought this rig,since I'm getting older now and more mature you know)that I wasnt going to buy four different bullets and three types of powder but I see its all slipping away now.While I'm at it what is your take on neck sizing only vs full lenght for this caliber?
 
Instead of using moly I would suggest tungsten disulfide instead. It works better and stays stable to higher temperatures. There is also boron nitride to consider.

Got to use a friends 6.5-284 a week or so ago, he said his goto load 49.5gr IMR-4350 with the naked 142gr SMK. He has to bump the shoulder back a couple thousandths every time, the case grows enough to require trimming and the primer pockets get too loose after 5 firings. I would say his loads are too hot but it seems to work for him consistently.
 
A friend uses a Lapua case, BR2 primer and Sierra 142MK with H4831SC with excellent results and his load is about 53gr. in a Krieger barrel which gives about 2950-3000fps. I use 49.5gr of H4350 with the Lapua 139 moly Scenar, Norma cases and 210M primers in a Krieger barrel giving about 2950 with excellent results also.
 
I would use the Tungston as that is what I switched too from moly.

2950 is easy obtainable considering you got a 6.5x.284 even from a factory tube. It may take you a bit more powder, but hell you got the case capacity.

I shot this caliber for a year. Went back to my swede and love it.

However, instead of Reloader 22 try Norma MRP. You can get it from Grafs. If you want constitancy from lot to lot nothing beats VIN N560.

As far as bullets go I would give Lapua scenars a try for a non-vld style or Berger VLD's for ultimate wind cutting.

What dies you using? How much neck tension. I've found .002 neck tension about ideal as you can still pull your case without a mess and its light enough to jam.

Good luck with your 6.5x.284, perhaps you'll see the light and switch over to the Swede and join the revolution.

RHINOUT!
 
hey rhino, didn't you post about a new f open record set at forbes and the shooter was using a 6.5x284?????? revolution must have been about a turn and a half for the swede.LOL cliffe
 
BOB could have shot the record with my rifle :)

Its not the rifle its the shooter's skill when your talking about Bock.

My rifle can hold as good a string as his, but he is of course a more experienced shooter.

When I was on a roll I was nailing the x and ten ring as well. I got some issues I am still resolving.

A 6mmbr would have been good on Sunday. Near ideal conditions.

RHINOUT!
 
Shellshock - sorry about not replying sooner, on the road at a project.

Problem with a factory rifle is that the chamber is usually on the generous side. While there isn't anything wrong with a little extra freebore, I've found the generous factory chambers allow over expansion of the entire case. Full length sizing after every firing overworks the brass. This is somewhat alleviated by neck sizing but at some point the shoulder will have to be bumped a bit, and maybe the case full length sized depending on what sort of a die collection you have. Size your brass as indicated by how it chambers so don't go and load five times fired brass 100 at once just to find it's a really tight fit to the chamber. Pulling loads back down sucks. You'll have to learn the specifics for your rifle through experience.

As far as all the powders and bullets go, there aren't but three powders for a 6.5 X 284 as far as I'm concerned, H4350, H4831 and RL-22,winchester primer). As far as bullets go I settled on the Lapua 139s. The other common choice is the Sierra 142. I got my combination to shoot well and now the only thing I've done is adjust for a different lot number of powder. There isn't really any sense in trying to get past the node that should occur around 2950 fps.

The trick is what to do for your next barrel as the 6.5 is pretty hard on barrels when shooting strings in competition, and still hard on them in just recreational shooting. Doesn't really matter much which barrel you get although Kriegers and Bartleins seem to get the nod most often, just get one from a reputable maker. Of more importance is a good smith as often a barrel is blamed when in fact the smith screwed up a decent barrel by not chambering is straight or on the centerline of the bore.

But regarding the resizing issue. When you rebarrel, get a match reamer from Dave Kiff. Measure representative samples of the brass you are using with bullets seated, order the neck size .003" over that diameter,just remember to check new brass to unsure the neck thickness is the same as the batch you measured). A Redding full length die with a Redding +.002" competition shellholder,sets back the shoulder .002" LESS than a standard shellholder) pretty much perfectly fits the chamber. Sometimes as the brass work hardens you'll have to go back to the standard shellholder to get the right shoulder set back. Work hardening can be fixed by annealing. A $15 hot plate turned on high, a thick piece of steel with countersunk holes of slightly larger than neck diameter, a little Tempil Fluid to see how long it takes to anneal the first case against a clock, then load up the plate and pull the cases when that time has elapsed. Cheap way to anneal cases.

Anyhow, the nice thing about having your own reamer is that all your subsequent barrels should have nearly identical chambers. Spend a little more and get a floating pilot reamer, your smith will thank you. Mine was surprised when I showed up with a new reamer and complete pilot set.

Yeah, the initial cost to the 6.5 party can be high, but once you are there it's just fine tuning. I haven't really changed anything in about three years,I own my own reamer,s) and my smith cuts really good chambers). You'll know when you've got it dialed in too. You'll be a happy camper.
 
I agree that a factory cut chamber can be very limiting factor. I bought my own reamer and so far have had,3) rifles cut from it. Two of my own and one for Proteus-x.

I think once you get used to loading for it and get some practice with your rifle it would in fact be best to buy a reamer or send to a gunsmith like Mark King to have a custom barrel chambered and fit to the action.

RHINOUT!
 
Rhino if the Swede is so much better;why am not hearing about more competitors using it?It appears that the 6.5/284 is becoming to F class what the 6mm PPC is to benchrest.Just my limited observations.
 
Rust,thanks, I switched to a redding neck only die and have been working up my loads with 4831sc,lapua brass,CCI BR2,and moly 142smk's. 54 grains turned out to be my magic number I shot a half dozen five shot groups so small I think I may retire,that way I can go out on top! I'm real happy with this caliber and very impressed with the Savage for the money!

I'll take your advice on the floating pilot reamer, thanks.I'm not used to getting a factory rifle dialed in this quickly,I'm not complaining!) Steve.
 
Listen the 6.5x.284 has won and has a following. The F-class national team shoots it. Is it more accurate than the 6.5x55 swede?
Some say yes, I from my own experience say no equal.

Advantages of the 6.5x.284 is that the loads are pretty standard using H4350 or H4831sc and people can get out and get shooting quickly with minimal tweaking.
You could push the 140 class to 3100 fps if you chose.
You use a .308 rebated case rim so it works with about any action.

Disadvantages of the 6.5x.284 is barrel life for one. 800-1000 rounds people are looking for a set-back or some just shoot to 1k and rebarrel.

The Swede shoots the same 6.5 mm 140 class project at 2950-3000 fps and has less case capacity and hence more barrel life figure 2000 rounds as that is about the round count a buddy shot on his 260 AI and they have similar case capacity.

I never let my round count go that high as if it has to go to Alan Warner for something I'll have him screw on a new barrel.

The Swede case will stretch a bit more and it has a slightly larger case head.

However the brass is cheaper...much cheaper. Lapua to Lapua is about $20.00 difference or more per 100.

You can make an arguement for the 6.5x.284 no doubt.

However people that are searching for a LR caliber might look in a reloading book and see the swede and think its too slow. However, your talking about a 110 year old cartridage and the pressure SAAMI max is around 55,000 psi. However on a new modern bolt action 60,000 psi is more like it.

I shot the 6.5x.284 for a year using slower powders trying to extend barrel life. I got weird flyers and it wasn't consistent.

So I went back to the trusted swede and my groups are great and I my problems seemed to have gone away.

Should I have loaded with H4350 and change at 1k count? Maybe but I am happy with the swede.

If your happy with the 6.5x.284, then by all means stay there. I wasn't happy and I am now.

For me I'll always favor the swede over the 6.5x.284 FM.

RHINOUT!
 
lapua FF brass neck turned to .291 for .294 chamber using .002 neck tension.

Powder VIN N560 47.6 grains
BUllet: Berger VLD 140 Danzac coated
Primer: WOlf Large Rifle
3.08 COL
2.405 ogive.

I have the reamer

Chrongraphs in the 2950 range.

RHINOUT!
 
Rhino i also have been finding n560 very consistant and clean burning with my 243 barrel and the berger 105g molly vlds, I also noted high vl 3260 fps with this powder but have settled on a 2970 fps load for my 243 blaser rifle.
 
I shoot a Tikka T3 varmint in 6.5 Swede. I shot recently at 900 yards with 139 Scenars and did really well but was amazed when it only just reached 1,000 with the scope on full elevation AND a 20MOA rail.

I bought a chrono and found it was running 2,550! This was with 40.1 N550, Lapua's max load. A friend with QL found that going upto 55,000 psi, I could easily go another 3 or 4 grains of powder. I now load 41.9 grains N550 and it runs spot-on 2,700 fps which should be perfect for 1,000 yards.
 

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