500-1,000yrds,which round?

[Buzzsaw]

Beginning my next rifle build. I have a G.A.P .308 tactical rifle. Very accurate but when this dang Texas wind is blowing 15-25mph, I get killed at the longer ranges. It's probably me not knowing how to read the wind well enough. BUT, I want another rifle anyway. Caliber??? I'm not a fanatical reloader, re; I don't want to turn necks, fire form, etc. I have a few in mind but need THE answer. Recoil needs to be close to the .308. I don't want to leave a match with a broke clavical or cheek bone. I know, meow! So which will it be?
Next question, who should build it? I'm familiar with the tactical smith's but I'm open. I do want to stay with a "tactical look", not bench rest or all out F-class.
Any opinions are welcome.
Thanks,
Buzzsaw

 

[shooter65]

300 win mag

or try a 338 lapua mag
http://www.gunsamerica.com/976808235/Guns/Rifles/Tactical-Sniper-Rifles/Sako_TRG_42.htm

 

[Spotcheck_Billy]

6.5-284

 

[Buzzsaw]

shooter65, you must be a chiropractor looking for business or have a .300 or .338 for sale. I agree the calibers you mentioned will definetly do the job at 1000yds, thumbing their nose at any wind which would try to blow them off track. However being known to sometimes drink my milk from a saucer when it comes to pain, I may steer towards the 6.5X.284 or similar. Maybe I could go to a 7mmWSM?? Thanks for your reply.
Buzzsaw

 

[Magical_Merlin]

I would agree with the 7MM WSM. Use the Berger 180 gr bullets with a 30" 8.5-9 twist barrel. No problem. Good luck.

 

[PJ]

Guys,
What about a 260, 243, or 6mmbr? Don't they all have a higher BC then a 308?

PJ

 

[Magical_Merlin]

I was going to say the 260AI, but the poster didnt want to deal with fireforming.

 

[shooter65]

how about a 6br with a 8 twist 26 or 28'' barrel and shoot factory lapua 105 gr.
http://www.grafs.com/ammo/118



or a 243 shooting 115 d tac's?
http://www.6mmbr.com/243Win.html

then add one of these.
http://www.muzzlebrakes.com/

 

[shooter65]

2 to think about



http://www.snipershide.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=157621&page=2#Post157621


http://www.snipershide.net/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=177460&page=1#Post177460

 

[shooter65]

or check out the new savage target rifles. 6.5-284

http://www.savagearms.com/2007_pressrelease.htm

http://www.grafs.com/ammo/161

 

[Buzzsaw]

Thanks to all, SHOOTER 65, I have been looking at the new Savage F-Class, They are listening to the shooters. I don't mind saving $2,000 going for a "factory" rifle. They are supposed to be ariving soon. I want to see what their 6.5X.284 does.
I'm worried the 243, 260, 6mmbr will run out of steam at 1000, especially in the wind. I know the sniper guys like the 243/260 but they don't take that many 1000 shots, most of their scoring is 600 and in while breathing hard from a hump.
I will shoot mostly from a BIG belly bench, I guess the matches I shoot in, I will be classified as F-Class as they only recognize .223 and .308 as "tactical"

Compare the 7mm WSM recoil to the .308, big difference? I have a Vias brake on my .308 and it is perfect.
Thanks for your replies,
Buzzsaw

 

[shooter65]

best of luck on your decision.keep us informed on the route you choose.

don't forget the 50 cal. if you are worried about running out of steam!!!

 

[Spotcheck_Billy]

Buzzsaw,
You're gonna feel the recoil with something like a 7WSM shooting 180 grain Bergers, for example. Of course all of this is strictly subjective, but I feel that recoil really becomes noticable and negatively effects accuracy when you get much over a 6.5-284 with 139-142 grain bullets.

In my experience when you start pushing the 175-180 grain 7mm bullets fast enough to really take advantage of their great BC's recoil starts becoming a limiting factor. I shoot a .300WM using 210 SMK's and Bergers and find that unless it's a particularly windy day I can shoot better scores with my 6.5-284, especially on long strings.

I think that the Savage F-Open class 6.5-284 rifle is going to be a real winner. I understand that they recently sent a team using their new rifles over to Scotland where they did very well in competition.

 

[Asa_Yam]

I think that the Savage F-Open class 6.5-284 rifle is going to be a real winner. I understand that they recently sent a team using their new rifles over to Scotland where they did very well in competition.

The shooters in Scotland were using F-T/R rifles, in .308 Winchester.

 

[Asa_Yam]

I don't really understand all theses rules Asa but a buddy from Scotland told me I should read this. He's in a lot of the pictures and near the top of the pile. I get the impression they were shooting things other than 308's - I know he was shooting a 6.5-284

The Savage F-class rifles in use were F-T/R rigs. In F-T/R, you have a choice of calibers - so long as they're in .223 or .308. From the page you linked to:

I should mention at this stage that in addition to the thirty F Class ‘Open’ shooters, there was also a healthy F/TR Class and again, one of the Americans, Darrell Buell, was doing exceedingly well shooting one of Savage’s new rifles chambered in 308 that he collected only days before leaving the USA. The rifle has a solid-bottom action with small ejection-port, heavy barrel and wood-laminate stock - a great entry-level F Class rifle. With the current exchange rate, they should be competitively priced when they arrive in the UK. ,Emphasis mine.)

 

[jb1000br]

Buzz - the 6.5x47 feeds nicely in the 308 AICS mags...and my 25" likes 123scenars at ~2940 and 130 Bergers at ~2875...

No forming involved

JB

 

[Freestate101]

Buzz, how about the 6.5X55, neck-in-neck with the 6.5-284 with less recoil and much longer barrel life. Although the 6.5-284 will offer much longer barrel life using slow burning powders such as H1000, 7828, and N165.
Jim B.

 

[ConnorExum]

Beginning my next rifle build. I have a G.A.P .308 tactical rifle. Very accurate but when this dang Texas wind is blowing 15-25mph, I get killed at the longer ranges. It's probably me not knowing how to read the wind well enough. BUT, I want another rifle anyway. Caliber??? I'm not a fanatical reloader, re; I don't want to turn necks, fire form, etc. I have a few in mind but need THE answer. Recoil needs to be close to the .308. I don't want to leave a match with a broke clavical or cheek bone. I know, meow! So which will it be?
Next question, who should build it? I'm familiar with the tactical smith's but I'm open. I do want to stay with a "tactical look", not bench rest or all out F-class.
Any opinions are welcome.
Thanks,
Buzzsaw

Why not a 243AI with 115DTACS at 3200fps should shoot well inside the 6.5x284win and with far less recoil... So less pain...

What about 6.5x55mm on 30inch barrel 1:8twist should work well with the 147clinch river VLD's and still keep the recoil around the .308win with the heavier projectile levels or maybe a 30-06 with a 168grain bullet... Still alot less than .300win...

And well below the .338lapua magnum...