5 keys to 600 yard Benchrest

[Scarab]

Was wondering if I could get the top 5 most important aspects of 600yard Benchrest. The 5 keys to success if you will!
Jeremy

 

[JamesnTN]

1 hummer barrel
2 great chamber job
3 good bullets and tune
4 equipment setup
5 practice

 

[Terry]

#1 a great mentor.

It will save you years.

 

[Scarab]

How do you practice at 600yards? I'll be at Big Piney April 1-2 to try this long range stuff out but I don't have a 600yard range close, never shot past 300. My equipment is good, bullets are good.

 

[JamesnTN]

How do you practice at 600yards? I'll be at Big Piney April 1-2 to try this long range stuff out but I don't have a 600yard range close, never shot past 300. My equipment is good, bullets are good.

Then you'll have to tune at 300 and hope it's works at 600. Or take your reloading stuff get there a day or two early and tune there.

I'm fortunate to have access from 100-1200 yards at the local range to tune and test with.

 

[LRPV]

1- your equipment has to be up to the task. Doesn't have to be the most expensive but it does have to be quality enough to be competitive. Same goes for choice of gunsmith.

2- Tracking. When the mirage is heavy, if your gun doesn't come back close to the center of the target every time, you're chasing the bullseye through the mirage and you'll never aim at the same point twice.

3- bullets, barrel, brass. They all have to be top notch and the bullets and barrel have to like each other. If you can find one, look at equipment lists to see if you can find a trend that seems to working for others.

4- listen. The top guys are willing to help, as long as you're willing to listen that is. Try to learn from others mistakes, it's a lot less expensive. Whether you're just starting out or been doing it for awhile, there's always more to learn.

5- keep calm, cool and collected. Don't do stupid stuff, 5 shots on target and only 5, shoot your target and only your target, have everything you need where you need it so you're not stressing out looking for it.

It's all a system and the weak link will bite you.

 

[savagedasher]

If your gun won't shoot under .250 at 100 your probably not. Going to win . Larry

 

[Ga. Dawg]

If your gun won't shoot under .250 at 100 your probably not. Going to win . Larry

Not necessarily.

Mike

 

[Jet]

Some good advice above. I'll add:

- Consistency in ALL things.
- Listen and learn from others in the sport but do your own testing/validation. Your test/practice/match targets don't lie. Always learn from them.
- When fine tuning a load, only change one item at a time.
- Keep detailed records.
- Gun handling needs to be precise. A 2oz trigger still needs to be manipulated straight to the rear, how much shoulder pressure placed in the butt stock needs to be the same for each shot, etc.

Good shooting

Rich

 

[243BR]

1. Consistency 2.Consistency 3.Consistency 4.Consistency 5.Consistency

 

[dmoran]

If your gun won't shoot under .250 at 100 your probably not. Going to win . Larry

Larry -
Knowing your a fan of 2-shot groups, is your "under .250 at 100" input based from 2-shot group testing?
Especially since 2-shot results would be a very misleading inclination compared to the 5-shot standard group size reports and probabilties.
Donovan

 

[savagedasher]

5 two shot will give you more information then one 10 shots You know you have a better chance of get 2 shots in the same conditions then you do with 10 . All you have to do is add the total of 5 together and devide by 5 . If you have a condition change on one you can devide by 4 . That is good enough for me . Larry

 

[dmoran]

5 two shot will give you more information then one 10 shots You know you have a better chance of get 2 shots in the same conditions then you do with 10 . All you have to do is add the total of 5 together and devide by 5 . If you have a condition change on one you can devide by 4 . That is good enough for me . Larry

Larry -
Your cheating to many other dispersion effecting aspects besides just conditions to have equal comparisons, and there's a 67% statistical probability that your theorem/method won't hold up.
The extreme spread relative efficiency of a 2-shot group string is only 66.5% relative of a 5-shot group string.
Donovan

 

[savagedasher]

I agged .000" for 10 1 shot groups....lol

Tom

Tom
Many of time I trust one shots test When tuning . But you must see the movement relative to the point of aim many of tune the bullet moves above and below the point of aim .
Buckeys showed a test with his tuner showing the movement. But what does he know . Smile Larry

 

[ASbobcat]

5 two shot will give you more information then one 10 shots You know you have a better chance of get 2 shots in the same conditions then you do with 10 . All you have to do is add the total of 5 together and devide by 5 . If you have a condition change on one you can devide by 4 . That is good enough for me . Larry

Agreed.
I use three 3shot groups, but any variation on the mutiple-group method will provide more meaningful information than a single group.

 

[Scarab]

I use 3 shot groups as well until I find something that shows promise.
Sooo, back to topic, help the new guy save time and money on mistakes

 

[dmoran]

Larry -
If 2-shot groups is what floats your boat....cool and each to our own.
But highly advise when your stating/advising others to be able to shoot under .250 at 100, to also include the number of shots to the string of your suggestion, since your replies are insinuating the 5-shot standard and easily misleading.
Donovan

 

[savagedasher]

I use 3 shot groups as well until I find something that shows promise.
Sooo, back to topic, help the new guy save time and money on mistakes

Great target .
If your aim is at the center of the target you can see how the bullet. Is moved above and below and to the right and left of the point of aim .
A tuner will do the same with each powder change . Two shot will shots will the location of the tune .
My preference when tuning I have a tuner setting for head wind and tail winds . Winter in Florida we have head winds . Summer they all are tail winds . Each gun like a different tune . The 7.5 twist is different then the 8 twist All my guns I shoot the same powder drop and adjust the tune location wit a tuner . Work hard to keep the ES low .
I may be doing every thing wrong but my guns and method sure wins a lot .
Same thing in raceing The shock man call my set up the hillbilly set up .
Larry

 

[Ga. Dawg]

I agged .000" for 10 1 shot groups....lol

Tom

Best one shot group on record! LOL

Mike

 

[LRPV]

Great target .
If your aim is at the center of the target you can see how the bullet. Is moved above and below and to the right and left of the point of aim .
A tuner will do the same with each powder change . Two shot will shots will the location of the tune .
My preference when tuning I have a tuner setting for head wind and tail winds . Winter in Florida we have head winds . Summer they all are tail winds . Each gun like a different tune . The 7.5 twist is different then the 8 twist All my guns I shoot the same powder drop and adjust the tune location wit a tuner . Work hard to keep the ES low .
I may be doing every thing wrong but my guns and method sure wins a lot .
Same thing in raceing The shock man call my set up the hillbilly set up .
Larry

Larry I don't mean to be rude but the guy asked about 600 benchrest, and if he's shooting at Big Piney, that means IBS benchrest and this is where some of the toughest 600yd IBS shooters in the Midwest go to play. You've admitted many times that you don't compete in IBS matches. So, why do you feel the need to clutter up what could be a helpful discussion pertaining to the original question?