4831sc vs H1000 on my 6slr

[tonysnoo]

Ive tried a lot of different combinations on my 6SLR

DTACs Amaxes and now just starting with bergers

I cant seem to get the H1000 loads to group any better than .7ish moa ,but the 4831 and hor 105 bthps have given me almost a .25. (200yds)

This question prolly has nothing to do with the caliber, but when I try to match the velocity of my accurate 4831 load(2980ish) with H1000, the groups are no where near the same. Does a slower powder generally need more or less velocity to do the same job as a faster powder?

Should the same bullet, barrel, oal, day,time, bench, and velocity, net same group?

I know some of you are really liking the accuracy you are getting with H1000. I just havent found it yet. Any suggestions?

 

[rcw3]

I personally never had particularly great results with H1000 in any of the cartridges I shot that have the capacity to use it (243 Win, 6mm Rem, 6mm SLR, 6CM, etc.). When it shot well, the ES and SD numbers seemed high many times, and if I got the ES and SD numbers in line, typically it did not seem to group well. It seemed like I was always fiddling around trying to get things just right with it but could never seem to get it there and have it stay. Recently, I purchased a new jug to give it a "second look" in some cartridges I am re-testing but like before I am not particularly impressed with it. Maybe some get it to work for them but I think there are other powders out there that are generally easier to work and load with for certain 6mm cartridges.

Robert

 

[tonysnoo]

I personally never had particularly great results with H1000 in any of the cartridges I shot that have the capacity to use it (243 Win, 6mm Rem, 6mm SLR, 6CM, etc.). When it shot well, the ES and SD numbers seemed high many times, and if I got the ES and SD numbers in line, typically it did not seem to group well. It seemed like I was always fiddling around trying to get things just right with it but could never seem to get it there and have it stay. Recently, I purchased a new jug to give it a "second look" in some cartridges I am re-testing but like before I am not particularly impressed with it. Maybe some get it to work for them but I think there are other powders out there that are generally easier to work and load with for certain 6mm cartridges.

Robert

Thanks Robert,
I was wondering if i was going koo koo. Ive prolly chased H1000 around for at least 300 rounds and never got it to shine in my rifle. I kept wondering if my density altitude was messing with me. We seem to shoot at 6000-8000 DA on our hot days.

 

[Preacher]

If the 6mm SLR won't shoot extremely well with H-4831 SC you have a problem, and it's not the powder..

 

[Cakes]

For my 6SLR 4831sc was giving acceptable accuracy, pressures and SD's, H1000 with 105-108 gr. bullets didn't work at all and 4350 out-shined them all. Green box 107's are a pain to weigh and sort but paired with 4350 they really perform for me at midrange f-class. It gets to a point of diminishing returns when developing loads, how much time/energy does one want to spend to find that "pet" load. Try to find a descent load, tweek it and get out to the range and shoot, IMO. Good Luck, Eric in DL

 

[boltfluter]

Does it defeat the purpose of this cartridge, if you can't get H1000 to shoot, in regards to barrel life? Just curious.

Regards, Paul

www.boltfluting.com

 

[Rtheurer]

There are other powders out there that are maybe better than H1000 for that purpose so maybe not. If you punch in N160 or N165 into Quick Load you will see that the BTU and heat of explosion are less in those two powders than H1000. So why H1000? Yet on another note look at N560.. that is really hot stuff. The 100 series are the coolest and the 500 series are the hottest...
No disrespect here but it seems your implying that the cartridge isnt worth shooting? I have had one since about 2005 and can say it is fine cartridge and have no regreats after have owned one. Its about perfect for what i do in the prone mid range and long range game with its long neck for a variaty of bullets. So the PURPOSE of the case is to shoot long bullets at around 3000fps without excedingly high pressures with ease of making from inexpensive brass while providing a long neck to handle a variaty of long projectiles with various boattail and shank demensions. Thats the purpose i believe that Mr Whitley had in mind and that is exactly what it does.
I shoot to win.. Barrel life is second to all the above anyway.
Again no disrespect to your comment.
RussT

 

[boltfluter]

Rtheurer,

Its all good Russ. I am very interested in this round for a new build that I have in the works. Just trying to get all the info I can, and weighting my options. I love the concept of the long neck and the over all idea. Leaning this way for the heavy VLD bullets. Sounds like a perfect match. Just wanted to make sure I have options if for some reason H1000 won't shoot. Thanks for your input. Have a good one.

Regards, Paul

www.boltfluting.com

 

[tonysnoo]

If the 6mm SLR won't shoot extremely well with H-4831 SC you have a problem, and it's not the powder..

4831sc is what shoots really well, Im trying to figure out H1000. I havent found an h1000 load that will shoot as good as 4831sc........sorry for the confusion.

 

[tonysnoo]

There are other powders out there that are maybe better than H1000 for that purpose so maybe not. If you punch in N160 or N165 into Quick Load you will see that the BTU and heat of explosion are less in those two powders than H1000. So why H1000? Yet on another note look at N560.. that is really hot stuff. The 100 series are the coolest and the 500 series are the hottest...
No disrespect here but it seems your implying that the cartridge isnt worth shooting? I have had one since about 2005 and can say it is fine cartridge and have no regreats after have owned one. Its about perfect for what i do in the prone mid range and long range game with its long neck for a variaty of bullets. So the PURPOSE of the case is to shoot long bullets at around 3000fps without excedingly high pressures with ease of making from inexpensive brass while providing a long neck to handle a variaty of long projectiles with various boattail and shank demensions. Thats the purpose i believe that Mr Whitley had in mind and that is exactly what it does.
I shoot to win.. Barrel life is second to all the above anyway.
Again no disrespect to your comment.
RussT

Thanks Russ! Ive had nice results from 4831. Ive probably used up all of the extra barrel life I was chasing, by doing so much testing. Do you mind me asking what you like in your SLR?

 

[Rtheurer]

I dont have my Load data for the 6 SLR on this Laptop or External Harddrive so I cant give you a solid answer. My 105gr Amax load is Reloader 19 with Winchester brass and a Fed Gold medal Primer at some where between 3100 and 3200fps if my failing memory serves me correctly. That load with a 105gr VLD Berger into the lands shot well also.

Wish I had my two pages of Data handy for you. Iknow I shared it with a few other folks on this forum.

Im pretty sure the H4831SC load was with the Berger and JLK 115gr VLD's for My Satern 5R barrel.
When I get home in October maybe Ill get a chance to fire it up again.

RT