45-70 Loads for 1895 Marlin?

[hoz53]

I started this thread about 45/70 brass but I am now wondering about loads. Can anybody share their 45/70 loads Looking at the manuals looks like H4198 would be a good start. Thanks




Winchester 45/70 brass is quite a bit more expensive than Starline. I wonder if anybody has had experience with either one of these they could share? Just wonder if the Win brass is better for some reason. I will be using the brass in a Marlin 1895 lever gun. Thanks Kim H

 

[dewey7271]

I run Starline in my 1895. Good stuff, zero issues.

 

[joshb]

Hey. Are you going to load it hot? I haven't bought any Starline brass but " I know a guy that swears by it". In all my years, I have never heard a bad review. I don't think you'll notice any difference with reasonable loads. Unless you're hunting bear, I think hot loads are just masochistic. Search reviews and a bunch of threads on it at Marlin owners.com

http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/45-70-govt/33556-why-starline-brass.html

 

[long40shot]

Starline brass is great stuff. I've ran it in my Sharps, 45LC and 45acp. No issues.

 

[ireload2]

Winchester 45-70 brass is excellent. I have some that has been reloaded more than 20 times and fired in about 4 or 5 different rifles.

Starline also makes good brass but it needs the case mouths annealed to prevent blow by with light loads. Starline ships its cases with the case mouths not annealed so it is pretty hard.

I also have a lot of Federal and Remington and those cases are good too.

 

[hoz53]

Hey. Are you going to load it hot? I haven't bought any Starline brass but " I know a guy that swears by it". In all my years, I have never heard a bad review. I don't think you'll notice any difference with reasonable loads. Unless you're hunting bear, I think hot loads are just masochistic. Search reviews and a bunch of threads on it at Marlin owners.com

http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/45-70-govt/33556-why-starline-brass.html

masochistic-- isnt that the reason to have a 45-70--when i was 18 my buddy had a ruger #3 in 45/70. he loaded heavy bullets hot and ill tell ya you didnt want to shoot that off the bench.-thanks for the marlin link. i have always heard good things about starline. shucks guess ill just have to get some of both

 

[hoz53]

Winchester 45-70 brass is excellent. I have some that has been reloaded more than 20 times and fired in about 4 or 5 different rifles.

Starline also makes good brass but it needs the case mouths annealed to prevent blow by with light loads. Starline ships its cases with the case mouths not annealed so it is pretty hard.

I also have a lot of Federal and Remington and those cases are good too.

good info. thanks

 

[hoz53]

I run Starline in my 1895. Good stuff, zero issues.

thank you -thats good to know -i will try some

 

[hoz53]

Starline brass is great stuff. I've ran it in my Sharps, 45LC and 45acp. No issues.

ok thanks for that info

 

[AR Shooter]

Starline does need the case mouth annealed and they enclose a note to that affect with the cases. For what its worth, I anneal my Win & R-P case mouths once a year, as well. I prefer Win cases for my heavy BP loads as they hold 4-5gr more powder than do Starline and 1-2gr more powder than R-P. For whatever reason, my Starline cases shrink over time and I toss them when they get shorter than 2.08" in length. I only shoot them at the shorter distances with the lighter bullets/loads. The Win cases will occasionally stretch and require trimming and the R-P are the most dimensionaly stable. As always, YMMV.

 

[hoz53]

Starline does need the case mouth annealed and they enclose a note to that affect with the cases. For what its worth, I anneal my Win & R-P case mouths once a year, as well. I prefer Win cases for my heavy BP loads as they hold 4-5gr more powder than do Starline and 1-2gr more powder than R-P. For whatever reason, my Starline cases shrink over time and I toss them when they get shorter than 2.08" in length. I only shoot them at the shorter distances with the lighter bullets/loads. The Win cases will occasionally stretch and require trimming and the R-P are the most dimensionaly stable. As always, YMMV.

OK thats alot of good info-- just what I was looking for. Thank You

 

[Shaggy357]

I recently loaded 100 each of Win and Starline. The Starline was closer in length to each other and had less deformation than the Winchester. (Box packaging vs plastic bag packaging). The Winchester only varied in length by a few more .001" and the few dings in the mouths that had to be cleaned up. Primer pocket depth, cleanliness, and reloadability were outstanding for both. I think you will be very happy either brand.

 

[jfseaman]

Starline is good stuff.

Repeating: Run it in my 45/70, 45Colt (LC), 45 ACP and I think others.

 

[hoz53]

I recently loaded 100 each of Win and Starline. The Starline was closer in length to each other and had less deformation than the Winchester. (Box packaging vs plastic bag packaging). The Winchester only varied in length by a few more .001" and the few dings in the mouths that had to be cleaned up. Primer pocket depth, cleanliness, and reloadability were outstanding for both. I think you will be very happy either brand.

Ok Steve Thanks for the info. i will probably get some starline to start with and see how it goes Kim H

 

[hoz53]

Starline is good stuff.

Repeating: Run it in my 45/70, 45Colt (LC), 45 ACP and I think others.

OK thanks for the info I will get some starline and try it. Kim H

 

[ben lurkin]

I've ran both win and starline brass. Starline has a bit less case capacity than Winchester Brass. Others have mentioned annealing the case mouths already. I traded my Winchester brass to a buddy and am now running Starline exclusively.

 

[hoz53]

I've ran both win and starline brass. Starline has a bit less case capacity than Winchester Brass. Others have mentioned annealing the case mouths already. I traded my Winchester brass to a buddy and am now running Starline exclusively.

thanks for that info--i will order some starline

 

[ireload2]

You might indicate the performance level you are looking for.
There are about 3 different general smokeless load classifications that could be used in the Marlin.
1. Plinking loads with 300 grain plain base bullets. Be very careful you can double and triple charge with the recommended powders.
http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm
2. 300 grain higher velocity for hunting
Use powders from about Alliant 2400 up to 4198 and Reloder 7 as listed in the manuals
3. 400 grain high velocity for hunting
Use 3031 (I used the old 53 grain load. Do not use this load in a Trapdoor. Recoil is too high for anything but hunting)

 

[gary0529]

You might indicate the performance level you are looking for.
There are about 3 different general smokeless load classifications that could be used in the Marlin.
1. Plinking loads with 300 grain plain base bullets. Be very careful you can double and triple charge with the recommended powders.
http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm
2. 300 grain higher velocity for hunting
Use powders from about Alliant 2400 up to 4198 and Reloder 7 as listed in the manuals
3. 400 grain high velocity for hunting
Use 3031 (I used the old 53 grain load. Do not use this load in a Trapdoor. Recoil is too high for anything but hunting)

Starline brass and 300 JFP with 50 gr. IMR3031 --every deer is either bang-flop or runs no more than 20 or 30 yards -chest shot only/all shots under 100yards .

 

[joshb]

Load it for what you can stand. Mild loads were fairly accurate in my Winchester lever gun repro. When I got it, five years ago, I loved the boomers!
I loaded mine as hot as I dared and dreamed of getting a Ruger #1 . The book loads for the Ruger get real close to the 458 Winchester Mag! Oh, did I want to try that!!! A lot can happen in five years. I finally got my #1, this past January. It just seems to get left behind as I take the 6br, ppc's and .223s instead.