40-65 brass

[butchlambert]

I've heard that they can be made from 45-70 brass. School me.

 

[BigBolt]

I've heard that they can be made from 45-70 brass. School me.

Yup,

40-65 Brass - Large Rifle - Brass Cases

Loading Data:

Shooter's Reference Load Data for .40 - 65 Winchester

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You can anneal beforehand which will make it easier, but don't bother for the .40-65. Start with very clean and polished cases. Anneal to 1/2" - 5/8" from mouth down, if necessary, not always so (KISS applies here). Apply E-Z Way Systems: Imperial Sizing Die Wax is extremely high lubricity for case forming and full length resizing and then apply a very sparse coat to the case all the way down. When things are just right you can reform in one pass, when done badly you'll have a wrinkled and dented case(too much lube) or a stuck case (too little lube). R-P cases similar to Starline in reforming characteristics. One pass is the way to go as you will have less to trim to length; the more passes, the more to trim.

 

[butchlambert]

Thanks.

 

[DHD]

I'll add that you can really tell a difference between sizing lubes doing this conversion. I only used Imperial Sizing Wax after a spray lube got real "sticky" on extraction of a case from the die. I annealed (Vertex) before sizing and would size and spin 180° and size again. My cases came out good but still bought Starline 40/65 cases. My Hepburn has very little extraction so I felt better using the Starline (the target didn't care).

 

[762willdo]

I have some already made if your interested and some cast bullets as well

 

[butchlambert]

Yup,

40-65 Brass - Large Rifle - Brass Cases

Loading Data:

Shooter's Reference Load Data for .40 - 65 Winchester

shootersreference.com

You can anneal beforehand which will make it easier, but don't bother for the .40-65. Start with very clean and polished cases. Anneal to 1/2" - 5/8" from mouth down, if necessary, not always so (KISS applies here). Apply E-Z Way Systems: Imperial Sizing Die Wax is extremely high lubricity for case forming and full length resizing and then apply a very sparse coat to the case all the way down. When things are just right you can reform in one pass, when done badly you'll have a wrinkled and dented case(too much lube) or a stuck case (too little lube). R-P cases similar to Starline in reforming characteristics. One pass is the way to go as you will have less to trim to length; the more passes, the more to trim.

I would prefer the proper headstamped brass, but have a lot of new 45-70 brass. I used to mfg. and sell case forming dies, so I have what I need if I can't get the proper brass.

 

[BigBolt]

I would prefer the proper headstamped brass, but have a lot of new 45-70 brass. I used to mfg. and sell case forming dies, so I have what I need if I can't get the proper brass.

45/60 Winchester Center Fire M76 — AmmunitionArtifacts

Quantity 20, All cases have been formed from New STARLINE 45/70 brass. Each case Has been fully Formed , annealed 2x, trimmed to Proper length, chamfered, de-burred and tumbled polished All Cases are fully Prepped and ready to Load

www.ammunitionartifacts.com

 

[butchlambert]

45/60 Winchester Center Fire M76 — AmmunitionArtifacts

Quantity 20, All cases have been formed from New STARLINE 45/70 brass. Each case Has been fully Formed , annealed 2x, trimmed to Proper length, chamfered, de-burred and tumbled polished All Cases are fully Prepped and ready to Load

www.ammunitionartifacts.com

Thanks, I think I mentioned I need 40-65 brass. I already have 45-70 Starline brass and can form them myself. I sure don't need $5 ea brass.

 

[DHD]

Butch,
Not telling you anything you don't know here, start with new cases as you mentioned. I reformed a few from cases fired in a 45/70 and got sticky extraction. In my case it was more of a rifle issue as my Hepburn has very little primary extraction (or whatever you want to call it) compared to say a Winchester 85. I made a few more cases from new Winchester 45/70 and had no extraction issues (not a fan of Winchester 45/70 cases for grease groove bullets though).

I haven't looked for new 40/65 cases for a long time and I know you know to look at Starline.

As these cases (rifles actually) are kind of a fascination for me, what are you shooting? A more traditional type 40/65 260ish grain bullet or a more modern heavy weight Silhouette/target bullet in a single shot?

 

[butchlambert]

Butch,
Not telling you anything you don't know here, start with new cases as you mentioned. I reformed a few from cases fired in a 45/70 and got sticky extraction. In my case it was more of a rifle issue as my Hepburn has very little primary extraction (or whatever you want to call it) compared to say a Winchester 85. I made a few more cases from new Winchester 45/70 and had no extraction issues (not a fan of Winchester 45/70 cases for grease groove bullets though).

I haven't looked for new 40/65 cases for a long time and I know you know to look at Starline.

As these cases (rifles actually) are kind of a fascination for me, what are you shooting? A more traditional type 40/65 260ish grain bullet or a more modern heavy weight Silhouette/target bullet in a single shot?

I acquired an 1886 Winchester lever rifle in 40-65. I'm not in a hurry, but always like to have loading components and dies on hand for each caliber of rifle or pistol that I have.

 

[DHD]

I completely understand about wanting component's standing by for each rifle!

 

[Rook 6]

Butch,
If you find stamped 40-65, go for it. But if you decide to squeeze down 45-70, go easy on the trim until you know how it fits your chamber. I’ve found most factory 40-65 chambers to be quite long and stamped 40-65 brass to fit quite short. Good luck.

 

[butchlambert]

The young man that I traded for my rifle has some brass and a couple loaded rounds. I'll just have to make the connection.
Thanks for your help.