375 Chytac Dies

[uda123cat]

I was wondering if anyone reloading for the 375 chytac would be willing to share their thoughts on what are the best dies in terms of size and manufacture especially for producing the most accurate rounds. There isn't much information on Viersco, Whidden, CH4D, and/or Chytac dies. I have tried to read about this topic on various forums but the most recent info I found is quite a few years old now and didn't know if there is any newer dies from different companies given the gaining popularity of this cartridge or if the above dies mentioned have gotten better or worse. Then, there is the issue of 1&1/2 inch vs other sizes that is also argued about on different forums but nothing very strong one way or the other regarding the size and quality of ammo produced. Anyway, any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Dan

 

[JRS]

Call Bill Shehane. He has a good bit of experience with it.

 

[FrankG]

Warner Tool makes an excellent of dies and in bigger thread bodies. I've got a set and by far the best I ever had. Once you buy the initial set he can make you inserts for different calibers etc...Here is a link to his site....

http://www.warner-tool.com/reloading-dies

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

 

[wboggs]

I was wondering if anyone reloading for the 375 chytac would be willing to share their thoughts on what are the best dies in terms of size and manufacture especially for producing the most accurate rounds. There isn't much information on Viersco, Whidden, CH4D, and/or Chytac dies. I have tried to read about this topic on various forums but the most recent info I found is quite a few years old now and didn't know if there is any newer dies from different companies given the gaining popularity of this cartridge or if the above dies mentioned have gotten better or worse. Then, there is the issue of 1&1/2 inch vs other sizes that is also argued about on different forums but nothing very strong one way or the other regarding the size and quality of ammo produced. Anyway, any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Dan

Neck bushings from CH4D will not work properly with Whidden dies. Call the manufacturers directly to clarify all issues before purchasing. As you are finding out, this is a very specialized round.

 

[FrankG]

You send one or two pieces of once fired brass (not resized etc...) to Warner and they will make the dies match your brass/chamber. Better yet if you have a reamer print send that along as well. That's what I did for the dies that Alan and Dan Warner have made me.

Later, Frank
Bartlein Barrels

 

[overspin67]

An excellent alternative: Triebel of Germany http://www.triebel-guntools.de/en/click-here-to-go-back-to-the-startpage/
Not the cheapest but, top quality German made tools.

 

[uda123cat]

Thank you all for your help. I have contacted Neil Jones and Dan/Alan Warner. I tried to contact Viersco but nothin but crickets to both emails and phone. Warner tool is significantly more expensive than Neil Jones while Neil has both resizing and seater dies whereas Warner tool mainly has a seater die with an insert that apparently functions as a bullet seater. Both companies were very easy to deal with, personally spoke with Mr Jones and both Alan/Dan Warner. Always good to buy American and deal directly with the people who will be making the product. Both have excellent reputations from what I can tell. I will follow-up in several months after the dies are made as there is quite a wait for both companies. I did order some 375 bullets from Warner tool; very pointy bullet tips. Unfortunately, many reloading companies consider the Cheytac family strictly a wildcat cartridge or so I was told by Redding, LE Wilson, etc. No SMK to be found anywhere and cutting edge bullets on back order. I am quickly finding out that reloading for the 375 cheytac is going to be a challenge from a component standpoint. Oh, and of course, forget about Federal 215M primers unless you want to pay $300.00 for a box of 1000 that used to cost $35.00; but don't get me started on that mess. At this point, it is actually easier to reload for the 50 BMG than 375 cheytac.

 

[Savage Lover]

A better alternative and IN STOCK. No one wants to wait 6-8 months for dies. 375 Cheytac Dies. https://www.shoot-long.com/product-category/everything-cheytac/

 

[charlieyankeesierra]

I purchased a set of 375 Cheytac dies from Whidden a month ago. They shipped the next business day.

 

[Kurz]

At this point, it is actually easier to reload for the 50 BMG than 375 cheytac.

Yes, you are absolutely correct... for 2 years ago as the date of your post indicates. Now though some of the supply problems have been resolved (except for Berger)but the excessive charges for components has merely stabilized at a higher lever. But dies, bullets, powders and primers are usually available from a selection of suppliers in most situations.

A better alternative and IN STOCK. No one wants to wait 6-8 months for dies. 375 Cheytac Dies. https://www.shoot-long.com/product-category/everything-cheytac/

I doubt that this can be proved as being 'better' especially at the price AB is demanding. I have been buying either custom or standard dies from Whidden and have been very happy considering they are $100.00 cheaper per set, at least. The alternative for those of us with machining skills is to make our own, which is the direction I'm heading. Yes, I have to invest my time and materials but there is the satisfaction of making excellent ammunition from dies you made for yourself.

Another supplier to consider is Triebel:

https://www.triebel-guntools.de/en/reloading-dies.html

The time delay, cost and paperwork can be a deterrent but the product is excellent.

Then when you tire of putting your $400.00 dies into your $130.00 press you should consider this one:

https://www.turban-cnc.de/index.php?article_id=72&clang=1

Enjoy!

 

[ELR Researcher]

Oh, and of course, forget about Federal 215M primers unless you want to pay $300.00 for a box of 1000 that used to cost $35.00; but don't get me started on that mess.

Federal Primers #215M Match Large Rifle Magnum (1,000 ct) - $38.95, in stock - http://www.brunoshooters.com/product/16441.html

 

[ELR Researcher]

Yes, you are absolutely correct... for 2 years ago as the date of your post indicates. Now though some of the supply problems have been resolved (except for Berger)but the excessive charges for components has merely stabilized at a higher lever. But dies, bullets, powders and primers are usually available from a selection of suppliers in most situations.



I doubt that this can be proved as being 'better' especially at the price AB is demanding. I have been buying either custom or standard dies from Whidden and have been very happy considering they are $100.00 cheaper per set, at least. The alternative for those of us with machining skills is to make our own, which is the direction I'm heading. Yes, I have to invest my time and materials but there is the satisfaction of making excellent ammunition from dies you made for yourself.

Another supplier to consider is Triebel:

https://www.triebel-guntools.de/en/reloading-dies.html

The time delay, cost and paperwork can be a deterrent but the product is excellent.

Then when you tire of putting your $400.00 dies into your $130.00 press you should consider this one:

https://www.turban-cnc.de/index.php?article_id=72&clang=1

Enjoy!

I also have that press. Took a while to get it and their English is a bit to work through but the press is the best I have ever seen.

 

[uda123cat]

I thought I would provide some follow up for those interested in the 375 cheytac based on my experience. I went with the Alberta Tactical reloading press: Outstanding craftsmanship, sturdy, no wobble, can handle anything including 50 BMG with excellent customer service and incredible tolerances for accessories-machining is second to none. The Warner dies are exceptional, yes expensive, but there are none better and dealing with Dan and Alan Warner is a pure professional experience. However, given their reputation and workmanship, be prepared for a long wait for the product-but yes it is worth the wait. VV N570 is an excellent powder for this round and testing between 100 degress and 50 degrees F yielded a 1.1 fps change per degree F; clean burning with easy cleanup. Peterson brass in the 375 cheytac is an excellent product with a high degree of uniformity and again customer service is exceptional and if annealed properly lasts as well keeping tight primer pockets with five reloadings to date. 21st Century large caliber neck turning is wonderful with John at 21st Century just a great guy to work with and this leads to an easy anneal because of the consistent neck turning. Cutting edge bullets are second to none and their customer service is also great and very helpful regarding which of their products is best suited to your needs. Federal 215M primers are very consistent. All of this leads to an ES of under 5 fps, less than .25 moa consistently when I do my part, and successful hits out to 2700 yards. This has been a long and expensive two year journey but well worth ride. If you are interested in ELR the above components can get the job done for you. Oh, this was done with a Desert Tech HTI with a custom barrel through Greg at Primal Rights. I am just so impressed with all of the above people willing to do their best and help out those of us trying to reach out to those long distance targets.

Regards,
Dan

 

[Kurz]

Dan,

Thank you for the report on your component choices, it adds a little more clarity to some of the next steps.

This has been a long and expensive two year journey but well worth ride.

I think we can all agree with this statement. Unfortunately, the press from Canada is about $400.00 USD more than the Prazipress because our Canadian brothers charge for every adapter and shell holder which come with the German press. The large Prazipress (140mm) is $900.00 USD before shipping and paperwork with approximately one month lead time. The ATRP is $1,375.00 including all the adapters except the .50BMG. Personally, I don't care but I think costs like this should be pointed out to make equitable decisions. But I also believe that we should all choose what suits us as individuals since we are the one to please not the general membership. And in reality, I believe it's better to have choices rather than limitations with regard to any of the resources we need or want to buy.

Best of Luck with the rest of the Journey!

 

[wi50]

I have the Alberta Tac Rife Supply or ATRS press. I love it. It's configurable for left or right hand easily, the geometry of the handle and half stroke is great. But I have a cheap Lee 50BMG kit, it got me a long ways, and to this day it's still just fine. I have a few friends who use the Lee and there's no issue. There's no need to spend huge money on a press, that money is better used on other more important things untill you are in a position where the rest of the gear is up to snuff and you have money to burn. But there on the back of a friends truck at the KO2M match is his Lee press and hes shooting in the top few in the finals, the press had little to nothing to do with success. Previous year another friend got into the top 5 with his Lee press and used the other $1300 or whatever to gain experience and shoot. I just use a set of Whidden dies for my Cheytac. I made a bushing to get me the right neck tension with Peterson brass. I shot Cutting Edge bullets and now the Badlands Precision bullets, both readily available. RL33, is a good choice, I've been using H50BMG with the best luck and have a big supply on hand now that it's discontinued. I've tried a little RL50 and it's worth trying more, I just haven't taken time to do much more than a little rough testing with it. Retumbo is good for the lighter bullets.