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308 Win with 155 Amax... suggestions?

Keith Glasscock

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First post, bear with me.

Shooting a semi-custom Savage 308. This rifle produces excellent groups with 175 SMKs and 110 V-maxes. It is my attempt at a go anywhere, do anything, buy ammo at the local sporting goods store, kind of rifle.

Here is the rub - I can only pull off a little load development work - too many other things to do.

Back to my 155's. I know they aren't the top-of-the-line bullet, but they serve me well for long range varmints, etc. (at least they did in my previous 308). I also happen to have a truck-load of them and don't really want to have to find new bullets.

Just to eliminate a few variables, I've done an OCW test and I am using the best charge from that test (nearly max - velocity in the 2875 range). I am absolutely certain that I'm doing a good job at the bench - I test these bullets at the same time as I test others that are grouping very well. I've even shot them round-robin to eliminate me as the culprit.

Good reloading practices are being followed. Ammo is straight (within .001), charges weighed, brass fully processed, and all other components are known for good performance in 155 grain 308 loads.

My problem is vertical stringing with the A-maxes. I'm thinking it is seating depth. Right now, I have been testing with 10 thou jam. Does anyone have experience with these bullets and what they really seem to like - jump, jam, how much? My previous rifle had a factory chamber that was throated half way to the muzzle. I know I can safely jump them up to 60 thou in the new rifle, but with the exception of a group shot at 55 jump, I've not tested any jump depths.

What I'm looking for is a short-cut. I can't take the range time (or expend the components) to work my way through in small increments to find the sweet spot. My calculations show I'd need about 60 rounds to find and verify the sweet spot - not to mention the time at the range.

I think I should be able to get this thing into the 5's or 4's easily. Thoughts or ideas?

Thanks!
 
I don't have experience with the 155 amax, but my experiences with the a max line has been they like to be jumped.
 
Busdriver,
I know we are talking about two entirely different set-ups here, but this is what works in MY rifle. Mine is a dedicated Palma rifle with a 1-13 twist bbl. It’s chambered with the 2011 Palma reamer that has .050 freebore. As always the usual disclaimers apply to re-loading, but I’m getting great results loading the 155 a-max to 2.800” COAL. This is just a coincidental dimension as I set up from base to ogive. It just so happens that they are magazine length. RL-15 powder is working very well and even though I won’t give you my load, (for safety reasons) 46.0+ would be a good place to start.
I hope this helps,
Lloyd
 
I have been working with a Savage 12 VLP 10 twist 308 and 155 SMK. The load is 44.8 gr of Varget and jumped about .010-.020. This shoots about .5 MOA.
As a test I loaded the same load and substituted a 155 AMax without changing the seater die any. The load shot a nice tight group but about 4-6" to the left at 100 yds.
 
I am with 1shot on this: I seat mine to 2.800" 45.4 gr. of re15 made my 155s come alive. If you have a jug of re15,,it'd be worth the try.
 
I ofund that the 15 Amax liked to chug along in my rifle!

2740-2780ish seemd the sweet spot!

44g of varget/orvit140 or 44.5g vith 150 will get u inthat ball park!

2.8" to 15tho off in mine all seem to shoot really well!(very small bug hole in teh most)

I did work up to 46.5g of vit 140 but slower was much better unlike lapua scenars i was trying at the same time wich like the extra speed!

cheers Andy
 
sleepygator said:
I forgot something, too.

Powder charge?
Case?

I too, for safety reasons, do not disclose my charges. I use Win cases that I have done lots of work to. They are the same cases that I get 3's and 4's out of with other bullets.

As you already know, Win cases have a significantly bigger case volume than , say, Federal cases. If someone put my charge into a federal case - well, best case scenario is that they would have to have a hammer to open the action. Let's put it this way - I'm not exceeding Hodgdon's max load.

For an experiment I tried the following - I wouldn't recommend it though!
I took 1 Win case and 1 Federal case

The win case was charged with Hodgdon's max load (after work-up) of 4064 and a 168 SMK

The Federal case got a charge 2.2 grains less (-5%) from the win case and a 168 SMK

The Win case exhibited easy extraction, no head marking, normally cratered primer, and a case web growth of .0015.

The federal case had very difficult bolt lift, a huge extractor mark about .020 high, a primer that belonged on the moon, and a case head about .004 bigger than it started.

I'm sorry to be difficult, but I'm just not comfortable giving charges out - even with a disclaimer. You never know who's reading it!
 
Your load is in the right velocity range. Does it chronograph well? If the chrono numbers are good, seating depth is likely to provide the best payback.

As another alternative; My .308 load with Berger 155.5 and IMR 8208 XBR has produced a very accurate and consistent 2990 fps from a 26" barrel. There is not a hint of vertical problem at 600. Now, if I could just get the wind to cooperate. ;)

The following is what Eric Stecker at Berger had to say about determining VLD seating depth. It works for me with any bullet I have tried. I do not perform the #4 test because it would usually cause seating depth problems within the case. It then only takes 18 rounds to get pretty close.

QUOTE

Trying to find the COAL that puts you in the sweet spot by moving .002 to .010 will take so long the barrel may be worn out by the time you sort it out if you don’t give up first. Since the sweet spot is .030 to .040 wide we recommend that you conduct the following test to find your rifles VLD sweet spot.

Load 24 rounds at the following COAL if you are a target competition shooter who does not worry about jamming a bullet:

1. .010 into (touching) the lands (jam) 6 rounds
2. .040 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds
3. .080 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds
4. .120 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds

Load 24 rounds at the following COAL if you are a hunter (pulling a bullet out of the case with your rifling while in the field can be a hunt ending event which must be avoided) or a competition shooter who worries about pulling a bullet during a match:

1. .010 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds
2. .050 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds
3. .090 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds
4. .130 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds

Shoot 2 (separate) 3 shot groups in fair conditions to see how they group. The remarkable reality of this test is that one of these 4 COALs will outperform the other three by a considerable margin. Once you know which one of these 4 COAL shoots best then you can tweak the COAL +/- .002 or .005. Taking the time to set this test up will pay off when you find that your rifle is capable of shooting the VLD bullets very well (even at 100 yards).

Regards,
Eric Stecker
Master Bulletsmith

UNQUOTE
 
Thanks. For all I can tell (I'm using a chrony) it does chrono well. The string was too short to gain a truly valuable SD though.

Is anyone shooting this actual bullet? I know it's not the best choice for long range target shooting, but the results on coyotes are very good. Likewise, the ballistics past 400 are far better than any of the varmint bullets offered.
 
I have used 155 Amax, but in 30-06. I have found they shoot better jumped and they don't like blistering speeds. They shoot well around 2800 in my '06.
 

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