• This Forum is for adults 18 years of age or over. By continuing to use this Forum you are confirming that you are 18 or older. No content shall be viewed by any person under 18 in California.

300 Savage

SGT G

So I recently came into a Savage 99 in .300 savage.

I cut and formed 50 pieces of brass from old 308 brass. I have 200 150 grain Hornady 300sav canalure projectiles.

I would like to use RL17 or RL15 as I have 5 pounds of each.

Any insight on this! Thanks!
 
  1. I use Hornady's 150gr inter lock bullets in my savage 99 . Seem to get a fairly average of 1.25 " - 1.5" @ 100yds . That's with two different loads of either Varget or IMR 8208 XBR . I'm leaning toward 8208 but really not much difference between them . May someday try to work up better load but I'm happy with what I got . Savage 99 is a very good working lever action that probably was ahead of it time .
  2. I am using Hornady brass .
 
Okay, awesome insight. I believe varget is relatively comparable to RL15. I’ll have to look for that load data.
Thank you
 
My 1950 procution 99 likes flat base bullets. I stumbled into a bunch of flat base 150 gr CoreLokts and it likes them with Varget. I used the same starting load as Sierra shows for the pro-hunter. I tried Game-Kings, Pro-Hunters and some old flat base Hornadys. It really likes the core-lokt factory load as well.

I reload for a 300 and a 250-3000. For what it's worth I rented head space gauges just to be safe and they both checked out fine. For years I heard about head space problems with old 99 Savages, either I got lucky or it's not a big problem.

Enjoy your 99!
 
If you tell me which 150 gr Hornady bullets you have, I can run Quickload for you.

Hornady has the following 150 gr bullets...

BTSP
SP
Interbond
GMX
RN
SST
 
Cartridge : .300 Savage
Bullet : .308, 150, Hornady SST InterLock 30303
Useable Case Capaci: 45.638 grain H2O = 2.963 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 82 34.40 2165 1561 26929 6138 84.8 1.465
-18.0 84 35.26 2219 1640 28706 6348 86.1 1.426
-16.0 86 36.12 2273 1721 30604 6555 87.4 1.389
-14.0 88 36.98 2328 1804 32633 6757 88.6 1.352
-12.0 90 37.84 2382 1890 34805 6955 89.8 1.317
-10.0 92 38.70 2437 1977 37114 7147 90.9 1.282
-08.0 94 39.56 2491 2067 39559 7333 92.0 1.245
-06.0 96 40.42 2546 2159 42157 7513 93.0 1.209
-04.0 98 41.28 2601 2253 44934 7685 93.9 1.174
-02.0 100 42.14 2656 2349 47903 7849 94.8 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 43.00 2710 2447 51080 8004 95.6 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 43.86 2765 2547 54483 8150 96.4 1.077 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 44.72 2820 2649 58131 8286 97.0 1.047 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
----------------------------------------------------------

QL default MAX chamber pressure for the 300 Savage is just 52,939 psi

Highlighted in bold is predicted MAX.

102 % case fill
43 gr Charge weight
2,710 fps Velocity
2,447 ft-lbs Energy
51,080 PSI chamber pressure
8,004 psi muzzle pressure
95.6 % powder burned
1.109 barrel time milliseconds
============================

Just to add....

Both Speer and Alliant show MAX 44 gr RL-15 with 165 grainers.

Lyman 50th shows 42.5 gr RL-15 MAX with 150 grainers.

So that's quite the discrepancy.

Hence why we start lower and work up.

RL-17 might be a tad slow (burning) for this combination,.. but QL thinks it should work, as the MAX predicted charge weight is not too heavily compressed, but slightly compressed nevertheless....

============================================

Cartridge : .300 Savage
Bullet : .308, 150, Hornady SST InterLock 30303
Useable Case Capaci: 45.638 grain H2O = 2.963 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 86 38.00 2148 1537 25423 6443 81.7 1.474
-18.0 88 38.95 2207 1622 27161 6709 83.4 1.433
-16.0 90 39.90 2267 1711 29030 6971 85.2 1.393
-14.0 93 40.85 2327 1804 31042 7227 86.8 1.354
-12.0 95 41.80 2389 1900 33209 7476 88.4 1.316
-10.0 97 42.75 2451 2000 35546 7716 89.9 1.279
-08.0 99 43.70 2513 2104 38072 7945 91.4 1.241
-06.0 101 44.65 2576 2211 40804 8164 92.7 1.201
-04.0 103 45.60 2640 2321 43762 8369 93.9 1.163
-02.0 105 46.55 2704 2435 46974 8559 95.1 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 108 47.50 2768 2552 50467 8734 96.1 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 110 48.45 2833 2672 54264 8891 97.0 1.054 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

MAX predicted load =....

108 % Case fill
47.5 gr RL-17
2,768 fps
2,552 ft-lbs
50,467 Chamber PSI
8,734 muzzle PSI
96.1 % powder burned
 
Zero333 said:
Cartridge : .300 Savage
Bullet : .308, 150, Hornady SST InterLock 30303
Useable Case Capaci: 45.638 grain H2O = 2.963 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 82 34.40 2165 1561 26929 6138 84.8 1.465
-18.0 84 35.26 2219 1640 28706 6348 86.1 1.426
-16.0 86 36.12 2273 1721 30604 6555 87.4 1.389
-14.0 88 36.98 2328 1804 32633 6757 88.6 1.352
-12.0 90 37.84 2382 1890 34805 6955 89.8 1.317
-10.0 92 38.70 2437 1977 37114 7147 90.9 1.282
-08.0 94 39.56 2491 2067 39559 7333 92.0 1.245
-06.0 96 40.42 2546 2159 42157 7513 93.0 1.209
-04.0 98 41.28 2601 2253 44934 7685 93.9 1.174
-02.0 100 42.14 2656 2349 47903 7849 94.8 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 43.00 2710 2447 51080 8004 95.6 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 43.86 2765 2547 54483 8150 96.4 1.077 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 44.72 2820 2649 58131 8286 97.0 1.047 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
----------------------------------------------------------

QL default MAX chamber pressure for the 300 Savage is just 52,939 psi

Highlighted in bold is predicted MAX.

102 % case fill
43 gr Charge weight
2,710 fps Velocity
2,447 ft-lbs Energy
51,080 PSI chamber pressure
8,004 psi muzzle pressure
95.6 % powder burned
1.109 barrel time milliseconds
============================

Just to add....

Both Speer and Alliant show MAX 44 gr RL-15 with 165 grainers.

Lyman 50th shows 42.5 gr RL-15 MAX with 150 grainers.

So that's quite the discrepancy.

Hence why we start lower and work up.

RL-17 might be a tad slow (burning) for this combination,.. but QL thinks it should work, as the MAX predicted charge weight is not too heavily compressed, but slightly compressed nevertheless....

============================================

Cartridge : .300 Savage
Bullet : .308, 150, Hornady SST InterLock 30303
Useable Case Capaci: 45.638 grain H2O = 2.963 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.600 inch = 66.04 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 86 38.00 2148 1537 25423 6443 81.7 1.474
-18.0 88 38.95 2207 1622 27161 6709 83.4 1.433
-16.0 90 39.90 2267 1711 29030 6971 85.2 1.393
-14.0 93 40.85 2327 1804 31042 7227 86.8 1.354
-12.0 95 41.80 2389 1900 33209 7476 88.4 1.316
-10.0 97 42.75 2451 2000 35546 7716 89.9 1.279
-08.0 99 43.70 2513 2104 38072 7945 91.4 1.241
-06.0 101 44.65 2576 2211 40804 8164 92.7 1.201
-04.0 103 45.60 2640 2321 43762 8369 93.9 1.163
-02.0 105 46.55 2704 2435 46974 8559 95.1 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 108 47.50 2768 2552 50467 8734 96.1 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 110 48.45 2833 2672 54264 8891 97.0 1.054 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

MAX predicted load =....

108 % Case fill
47.5 gr RL-17
2,768 fps
2,552 ft-lbs
50,467 Chamber PSI
8,734 muzzle PSI
96.1 % powder burned
Click to expand...


This is some phenomenal information. Thank you so much. I will have to save this!
 
Both Re-15, 17 are a tad slow for this bullet/cartridge/pressure combination. How funny it is when we realize that working with an older rifle and cartridge that one of the best powders is IMR-3031. I've worked on these loads for quite a few Savage 99s and the old standby powder works extremely well. The other powder to consider is VVN-135.
 
My 300 savage, built on a Mauser, loved 3031. 4320 was only fair. You'll be hard pressed to get 47gns of RL17 in the case! Of your choices, RL15 is the most likely based on my experience.

300 savage is an amazing cartridge. Superior to the 308 in my eyes for pure accuracy.
 
Zero333, I just came across this and was quite impressed by the results you posted. I have a Remington 722 that runs on 300 savage. I've been looking for some more definitive information on its performance using 150gr SST rounds above, from Hornady, and IMR 4064 powder. Many like the load but I haven't seen anything close to what you put out on the RL powders.
I wonder if you could do a run on Quickload with that combination? The comparison may prove interesting.
 
Agreed. Case capacity,... Case fill and powder % burned are very important.

Converting 308win brass to 300 Savage will decrease the internal h20 capacity compared to original brass. Maybe a little, maybe a lot. I can't say.

The compressed load or RL-17 fails to burn completely. Therefore powder fouling will be bad. Same as muzzle blast and flash.

Those QL estimates were based on 300 Savage brass with 52.5 gr of H20 Capacity.

A honest comparison would be to look at that Quickload data at the RL-17 charge weight corresponding to 101 % case fill, and you begin to see why RL-17 might not the the best powder for this job. While velocity is still decent, some 7 % of the powder goes to waste.

Heavily compressed loads can spike in pressure more than QL can calculate.
Probably most powders obtain a linear pressure curve regardless of compression.. But there are some powder when compressed provoke added pressure than otherwise fancied.
 
I've found, and others have discovered also, that with RL17 velocity will increase to a point, then start to decrease.
You'll see this in ladder testing, rounds will start going lower, and chrono testing method.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Upgrades & Donations

This Forum's expenses are primarily paid by member contributions. You can upgrade your Forum membership in seconds. Gold and Silver members get unlimited FREE classifieds for one year. Gold members can upload custom avatars.


Click Upgrade Membership Button ABOVE to get Gold or Silver Status.

You can also donate any amount, large or small, with the button below. Include your Forum Name in the PayPal Notes field.


To DONATE by CHECK, or make a recurring donation, CLICK HERE to learn how.

Classified Ads

Forum statistics

Threads
165,171
Messages
2,191,067
Members
78,728
Latest member
Zackeryrifleman

Share This Page

Back
Top