30 Dasher anyone?

[fastnflat1]

I know the 30Br has taken the stage in varmint for score, but has anyone done the 30dasher? I m wanting to do a 30 dasher short (1.4") for an Illinois deer hunting pistol. I have a 15" twist barrel on the way and am going to start with a 125gr pill. I guess my big question is wheres the best places to have dies made and does a die really need to be hardened? Thx for all advice.

 

[GSPV]

There has been some talk of a 30 BRX and BRDX. Call Dave Kiff and see what he has reamers for.

 

[savagedasher]

Kiff and ask him to send you a die reamer also. No they don't need to be harden. With the die reamer you can make a bushing die also. Larry

 

[superlight93]

The cost and work involved will out weigh the benefits. Using a Robinette 30BR reamer and a long drop tube, you can get 36 grains of H4198 into the case. This of course will be a compressed load. Seat your bullets so the are pushed back when chambered. Use either Remington 7 1/2 or CCI 450 magnum primers for the harder cup.

 

[Eddie Harren]

Take a good long look at the 30x47Lapua. If the case capacity will satisfy your state's requirements it should work well.

 

[rickiesrevenge]

The cartridge your talking about is a 30 Bellm. Its basically a 30 dasher with pretty much NO neck. I've got a reamer for it. Going to build a couple for a buddy of mine. The 30-47 doesn't meet Illinois rules. Neither does the 30BR.

I don't have dies for it yet. My buddy has dies from CH4D.

 

[fastnflat1]

Thanks for the replies! Ricky, I've got a die reamer coming also. way i figured its a lil cheaper to get the die reamer, buy some die blanks, and have them reamed and hardened rather than pay for custom dies. And still have the reamer to make however many more down the road if need be. 30bellm and 30 dasher 1.4 are similar but not the same are they.? I've not looked at a blueprint on the bellm but from talking to kiff I beleive they are different in a few ways. I'm sure ready to get this thing together and put a few rounds down range.

 

[rickiesrevenge]

If they are different then you can't use it in Illinois. The cartridge has to have been produced by a factory at one time so that the game wardens can look it up and see if it meets their minimum energy. They DO NOT allow people to wildcat cartridges. At least they didn't last time I looked at the regs.

 

[James EPS]

I have done a 30BRX and seen decent results using H4198. I could get 3200 fps using my 118gr bullet with great accuracy. I will be shooting one this year out to 500 yards in local groundhog matches.

Ill keep my 30BR for 100-300 score shooting.

James

 

[fastnflat1]

Ricky, Here is the IL law for handgun ammo used on deer:

For handguns, a bottleneck centerfire cartridge of .30 caliber or larger with a case length not exceeding 1.4 inches, or a straight-walled centerfire cartridge of .30 caliber or larger, both of which must be available as a factory load with the published ballistic tables of the manufacturer showing a capability of at least 500 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. Note: There is no case length limit for straight-walled cartridges.

With that being said, there are several custom ammunition manufacturers out there that can load ammo for wildcats and publish ballistic tables for it.

 

[rickiesrevenge]

Good luck with that. I think in a communist state like Illinois you are really pushing your luck. I know a guy who was using the 30 Bellm who ended up in the back of a cop car. Had to PROVE to them that they made factory ammo for it at one time.

 

[wildchild]

Good luck with that. I think in a communist state like Illinois you are really pushing your luck. I know a guy who was using the 30 Bellm who ended up in the back of a cop car. Had to PROVE to them that they made factory ammo for it at one time.

!!!!

 

[jonbearman]

What distance are you shooting?

 

[GSPV]

If you don't have to be IL deer legal, you could also neck the 6.5x47 Lapua u to 30. Should be the same capacity as the Dasher and be super easy to form.

 

[fastnflat1]

Jon, I'm hoping to have a 400yd deer pistol. I havent dealt with anything of the 30cal before so im in for a nice lil trip here. I've been a 20cal nut and am gradually growing up. I picked up a 6.5x47 a year ago and now am flirtin with this 30dasher 1.4 project. The guns give me something to do when I'm not pullin tractors. LOL

As far as the 6.5x47, the 1.400 long dasher case comes to the body/neck junction on the x47 case. Be a big waste of brass to use the x47 case.

I'm starting with the Lapua 6BR case, expand the neck to 30cal with sinclair expander die and mandrel, then turn the necks to .012 and trim .120 off case neck for a case length of 1.395.

 

[GSPV]

I was saying to just neck up the 6.5x47 L to 30 if you didn't have to worry about any crazy IL/IN/OH type regs.

Before the rules changed on case capacity for Hunter class BR, that cartridge was the hot and coming thing.

I'm still thinking about building one for formats where there is a scoring advantage to a bigger hole and weight isn't an issue.

If you can use Indiana-legal cartridges, you might look at the 358 BFG-WSSM. http://bfgcartridges.com/358BFG1625.html . I'm thinking about it just for the fun of it.