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25 creed

Got my barreled action back from Beanland last week.
Defiance anti short action
Bart 2b,7.5 twist at 23”
Axial Precision stock
Hawkins BDL
Talley lightweight rings
Trijicon credo HX 2.5-15x42 (23oz)
8 lbs 2 oz. total

Before shooting I bedded the action and applied duracoat to the metal surfaces.
Took it out to try a few loads, still waiting for 131 blackjacks or 133/135 bergers.

Using new Peterson brass and Tula primers I loaded a few ladders to find pressure.
I started with 41.6 H4350 and 110 tipped game king bullets.
Shot 5 of those to get zero and foul the bore at 100 yards.
Moved back to 400 yards and shot two small ladders from 42.2-43.4 in .3 increments.
No pressure and 42.5-43.1 looked good for vertical.

Next up was the 121 hammer, these are long and with the 131 reamer there is more bullet in the case than out.
Ladder was 41.3-42.5 in .3 increments
41.6-42.2 looked good for vertical with slight pressure at 42.2 and obvious pressure at 42.5 so calling 42.0 max.

Next was 110 tgk with varget
Ladder was 39.0-39.8 in .2 increments
39.2-39.6 looked good for vertical, no pressure.

Next was 121 hammer and varget.
Ladder was 38.4-39.2 in .2 increments.
38.6 showed pressure so I didn’t shoot any more.

Next was Barnes 100 ttsx and varget
Ladder was 38.5-39.4 in .3 increments
38.5-38.8 looked best and no pressure signs so room to go higher.

Wanting to save my H4350 for the heavy bullets when I get them, I loaded a few rounds with
110 tgk, 39.4 varget, Tula LRM primers in new Peterson brass.
Fired 8 shots into .6” at 100 yards with average FPS of 3052 and ES of 12.

121 hammer, 38.2 varget, Tula LRM primer
Fired 8 shots into .7” at 100 yards with average FPS of 2940 and ES of 15. A couple of the rounds had slight pressure signs.
My conclusion is, both the 110 TGK and 121 hammer would be fine under 400 yards for hunting but I wouldn’t call either ideal in this set up. I think the twist is too fast for the 110’s and the case is too small or freebore too short for the 121.
The rifle is set up for 130 class cup and core bullets and I suspect that is where it will shine.
I’ll update when I get something heavier.

Maybe this info will help someone just starting with the 25 creed.
 
Got some 135 bergers to try. They sit perfect in the brass while just touching.
Loaded up a few at .005 jam, h4350 and Tula primers in 1X Fired Peterson brass.
Loads were 4 each from 41.4-42.6 in .3 increments. 41.7 showed slight pressure signs and stiff bolt but shot a .23” three shot group at 2890 FPS.
A little too warm so I have more loaded from 40.6-41.2 in .2 increments to see how they do next time I get out. I am calling 41.5 max in this rifle with those components.
 
Thanks for sharing your results! I have been playing with the 135s in Peterson lrp brass using H4350 from 40.0 up to 42.2. My pressure started showing up with 41.6. Speeds were reasonable from my 26" barrel. My SD numbers were better towards 41.4 and up but so far accuracy has been terrible. My rifle seems to like the charges around 41.0 so I'm going to do a little more testing around there.
 
Did a little more testing around 40.6-41.2 and nothing has stood out as “the load”.

It seems 40 and 41.6 are the best loads so going to try a few at those charges and see how they do. Unfortunately, 40 is going to be slow and 41.6 will be warm so...

For some reason H4350 and 135 bergers haven’t revealed anything that blows my skirt up.
 
Did a little more testing around 40.6-41.2 and nothing has stood out as “the load”.

It seems 40 and 41.6 are the best loads so going to try a few at those charges and see how they do. Unfortunately, 40 is going to be slow and 41.6 will be warm so...

For some reason H4350 and 135 bergers haven’t revealed anything that blows my skirt up.
Curious, have you ran any RL26 thru it. Heard good results with at around 2900+ with the 131-135s.
 
I don’t think I can get enough rl26 in the brass to work. I’m crunching H4350 at 42.4 grains with the 135 berger and I don’t like to use drop tubes.
Maybe I’ll neck down some Hornady brass and try that.
Varget has been my best powder in this brass.
 
With a drop tube I was able to get 44 grains of reloder 26 without compressing the powder. That was with the 135 at .020 off the lands.
Thanks for the idea, I’ll set up a pressure test from...maybe 43 gr to 44 gr and see what happens.
 
I have been having a hard time tuning the 135s. I tried several different seating depths all the way from. 005 jam to .080 jump. I might play with powder next. I don't know if I should try RL 16 or back off with the 4350.
 
41.5 H4350, 135 berger .015 jump
First three went into little cluster, 4th was a little tight to chamber and shot high, so I shot two more for a total of 6.
Last two over magnetospeed were
2852, 2842
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I don’t have any use for these bullets in this rifle and the whole point for me was to get a load range for the 133 bergers when they are available. For now, I’m satisfied with the results and will patiently wait for some 133’s.
 
I had 7 brass left on this cycle so loaded Rl26 in those
42.7-44.2, Tula primer, 135 berger at .015 jump.
6 at the target and one at 43.6 over the magnetospeed that went 2814 FPS

Correction on the target, the lowest shot was 44.2, not 42.2

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Woo Hoo!
I love it when a plan comes together!

Still looking for some 110gr TGK, ELDX for the 250 Savage build. Some 115gr Bergers would be a good score too!

STILL waiting on my barrel. :mad:
 

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