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22PPC for 600 yd NRA matches -

I have a 22 PPC Shilen with a Bartlein 28 inch 1:8" twist. It should shoot the 77 and 80 grain bullets well but i have not found the sweet spot. Sierra 69's and 75's shoot terrific at 200 but i would not shoot them at 600 due to the wind drift.
I shoot iron sights on this rifle and need to find a load that will work for 600 yd NRA style shooting.

i have worked up to 24.0 Varget with SMK's coated in Danzac (Tungsten Disulfide) and will chrono and go up a little more looking for that sweet spot. Any experience out there?
 
I have a 22 PPC Shilen with a Bartlein 28 inch 1:8" twist. It should shoot the 77 and 80 grain bullets well but i have not found the sweet spot. Sierra 69's and 75's shoot terrific at 200 but i would not shoot them at 600 due to the wind drift.
I shoot iron sights on this rifle and need to find a load that will work for 600 yd NRA style shooting.

i have worked up to 24.0 Varget with SMK's coated in Danzac (Tungsten Disulfide) and will chrono and go up a little more looking for that sweet spot. Any experience out there?

I can not answer your w question with personal e experience but am curious how, why the PPC was chosen as your "engine". I have several myself, like'm fine but not the right toolbox for the job past 300 or so, if that. Just curious.
 
I can not answer your w question with personal e experience but am curious how, why the PPC was chosen as your "engine". I have several myself, like'm fine but not the right toolbox for the job past 300 or so, if that. Just curious.
Yeah, I bought it as a 22PPC and have a few others similar such as the 6mmAR and variants of that short fat case such as the 243 WSSM and 6.5 WSSM. I have had such good luck with the 6mmAR that I thought to try the 22 PPC with 73 Bergers, 75 and 80 grain Sierras and Bergers. I shoot NRA highpower so I want this to shoot well at 600 yes (or I will screw it off and put something else one!)

I am loading with Varget, RE 15, and 4895. All shoot ok but have a flyer sometimes. I will try 322 this weekend and see if I get anywhere

What have you fund?
Thanks!
 
Yeah, I bought it as a 22PPC and have a few others similar such as the 6mmAR and variants of that short fat case such as the 243 WSSM and 6.5 WSSM. I have had such good luck with the 6mmAR that I thought to try the 22 PPC with 73 Bergers, 75 and 80 grain Sierras and Bergers. I shoot NRA highpower so I want this to shoot well at 600 yes (or I will screw it off and put something else one!)

I am loading with Varget, RE 15, and 4895. All shoot ok but have a flyer sometimes. I will try 322 this weekend and see if I get anywhere

What have you fund?
Thanks!

BC and velocity well married will shoot inside of those that aren't. Miss a wind call of 4 mph at 600 . . .and compare the 90 gr 224 to a 182 gr .284 at the best accurate speeds.

As much as I liked the Mopars, I would have been wasting my time building a 273 instead of the 327. Not enough internal volume.
 
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How would the 22ppc with 24 gr of varget and 80gr bullet be any better than the same load in a 223? why not increase the load to 30gr or more. The fat rat has been loaded to 29-30 gr with a 107.
 
I seem to recall this site having a full article on this. I believe it was created by Mr. Salazar; 22 PPC long range... as I recall; effective, but more sensitive to everything over a 6BR.

Want an interesting round in 22; see .224AR; improved PPC should give good information too.

-Mac
 
Glen Zediker has talked at length in several books about using 22PPC for an across the course rifle using 25.5 Varget pushed an 80SMK to 2900fps. 24.5 for 90SMK. This was for an AR15.
 
i remember that Scott Lindley had a AR15 6mm PPC built and Scott Medesha had done one in 22 PPC, but as to why the trend didn't continue is more then likely the lack of a proper bolt.
 
BC and velocity well married will shoot inside of those that aren't. Miss a wind call of 4 mph at 600 . . .and compare the 90 gr 224 to a 182 gr .284 at the best accurate speeds.

As much as I liked the Mopars, I would have been wasting my time building a 273 instead of the 327. Not enough internal volume.

Mopars? You just showed your history, brother! i had a Barracuda with a 273 and swapped it out for a 340 back in the day...you are definitely right about the wind, i like wind, actually because i watch it and it gives me a winning chance :-)

I have two broken cervical vertebrae in my neck and shooting the 300WM or my 7mm's is not an option any longer. i am using the 6.5 CM and loving it and ran across this 22PPC for sale and could not resist the rifle since i was in a Neal Johnson prone stock and done so well. If i can't make it shoot i will screw off the barrel and screw on something else! no worries.
 
i remember that Scott Lindley had a AR15 6mm PPC built and Scott Medesha had done one in 22 PPC, but as to why the trend didn't continue is more then likely the lack of a proper bolt.
USMC DOC ( i am a former Marine from 1970-1979) I have a warm and fuzzy spot for Corpsmen since two saved me in the past. Thanks for your unselfish service to a nation about to be GREAT again...

I am old friends with German and miss him on the airwaves now. I am very familiar with his work on the 22PPC for his 300M International shooting and also Scott's gun building on the caliber. I think Scott built Glen's 22PPC's. however, i don't think any of them fully fleshed out the potential of the round. it shoots in AR's and is magazine length alright. That's a big plus. Don't forget the great work done by Robert Whitley and Fred over at Sabreco. The 6mmAR should be credited for pointing a lot of people over the last decade towards short fat stuff.

My rifle is a Shilen bolt gun and I shoot NRA style with a jacket and sling and iron sights mostly ( scopes of the Any Any days).
 
USMC DOC ( i am a former Marine from 1970-1979) I have a warm and fuzzy spot for Corpsmen since two saved me in the past. Thanks for your unselfish service to a nation about to be GREAT again...

I am old friends with German and miss him on the airwaves now. I am very familiar with his work on the 22PPC for his 300M International shooting and also Scott's gun building on the caliber. I think Scott built Glen's 22PPC's. however, i don't think any of them fully fleshed out the potential of the round. it shoots in AR's and is magazine length alright. That's a big plus. Don't forget the great work done by Robert Whitley and Fred over at Sabreco. The 6mmAR should be credited for pointing a lot of people over the last decade towards short fat stuff.

My rifle is a Shilen bolt gun and I shoot NRA style with a jacket and sling and iron sights mostly ( scopes of the Any Any days).
First, let me say thank you sir!
Second, your right in saying that Robert and Fred have a lot in it! If i were to do sling again.. it would by Any/Any for sure!
 
How would the 22ppc with 24 gr of varget and 80gr bullet be any better than the same load in a 223? why not increase the load to 30gr or more. The fat rat has been loaded to 29-30 gr with a 107.
Your questions is the perfect point brother. It needs to be a better .223 /80 or it is not worth keeping around. The 223/5.56 brass is plentiful and the Norma 22 PPC costs a bit. So, this quest is to try and get the velocities and accuracy up enough to make it an advantage. i figure i am at the low end of the trials and working up. I just thought maybe if there was any experience out there on the 22PPC it could save me a step or two. Thanks much for your input. You are right
 
I've been shooting AR15s chambered for the 6RAT for several years, and finally got around to doing a bolt rifle for the RAT, using a CZ527 carbine in 7.62x39 to get the correct boltface. Using 6.5 Grendel brass, we neck it down with a 6RAT FL sizer, leaving a false shoulder for fire-forming, much like forming 6 Dasher by expanding the neck with a 6.5mm mandrel, then partial sizing it back down to 6mm, again leaving the false shoulder for fire forming - in fact, the finished 6RAT looks just like a miniature Dasher. Not at all sure how thick the neck would be using this process to form 22PPC Improved from 6.5 Grendel, but if I were going to shoot XC with a similar cartridge, I'd certainly go with an improved version to get increased case capacity. BR shooters are using something very similar to the 6RAT called the GRINCH, and having fine results where accuracy is concerned.

As an aside - now that Howa is offering their Mini action in 6.5 Grendel, we have another very good factory action available for not only the Grendel, but all its wildcat offspring. I've got a couple of these Mini bbl'd actions, and though I have no interest in building one for use in the OEM Hogue overmolded plastic stock, I just received a Pro Varmint stock from Boyds with the Mini inlet. Also have sent bbl'd Mini actions to Manners & McMillan, and am expecting stocks from them by SHOT or shortly thereafter. MDT also makes their LSS chassis for these actions. Neat thing about the Mini is that it comes with DBM (even though it's plastic), so it's not far from ready to go as a XC vehicle. Warne makes 20 MOA sloped scope rails for this action.

ETA - When I chamber an AR bbl for the RAT, I do so with the understanding that it's sold with a J-P Enhanced 6.5 Grendel bolt. Used to buy LMT 6.5 enhanced bolts, but when they discontinued them, I switched to the J-Ps. I feel these 9310 bolts give a substantial safety margin over bolts made of mil spec Carpenter steel.
 
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I don't know what you are calling "mil spec carpenter steel" but I have used steel that is carpenter steel and it is tool steel that is very tough and can be case hardened - Makes a fine knife blade, a good punch and properly tempered makes a great cold chisel. it is a chromium, nickel, copper molybdenum steel. It machines nice, forges well and is "tough as nails" (if nails were really tough). The military spec for the AR bolt is for C158 and it would be hard to beat in the application of a bolt when properly heat treated and hardened.
The biggest difference between the two steels (C158 Vs 9310) is the carbon content which is higher in the C158. IIRC
 
I don't know what you are calling "mil spec carpenter steel" but I have used steel that is carpenter steel and it is tool steel that is very tough and can be case hardened - Makes a fine knife blade, a good punch and properly tempered makes a great cold chisel. it is a chromium, nickel, copper molybdenum steel. It machines nice, forges well and is "tough as nails" (if nails were really tough). The military spec for the AR bolt is for C158 and it would be hard to beat in the application of a bolt when properly heat treated and hardened.
The biggest difference between the two steels (C158 Vs 9310) is the carbon content which is higher in the C158. IIRC

Do a little research on using cases based on the 6.5 Grendel case in AR15s - that case head diameter is so large that it leaves very little extra steel between the bolt counterbore & the lugs. At least one well-known AR 'smith refuses to chamber bbls for the RAT or 6.5 Grendel because of the number of broken bolts he's seen. At least at this point, I'm not aware of any bolt lug breakage with either the LMT or J-P Enhanced bolts for either 6.8SPC or 6.5 Grendel bolts made of 9310 steel. I doubt LMT & J-P are making their enhanced bolts out of SAE 9310 just for publicity's sake.
 
I don't know what you are calling "mil spec carpenter steel" but I have used steel that is carpenter steel and it is tool steel that is very tough and can be case hardened - Makes a fine knife blade, a good punch and properly tempered makes a great cold chisel. it is a chromium, nickel, copper molybdenum steel. It machines nice, forges well and is "tough as nails" (if nails were really tough). The military spec for the AR bolt is for C158 and it would be hard to beat in the application of a bolt when properly heat treated and hardened.
The biggest difference between the two steels (C158 Vs 9310) is the carbon content which is higher in the C158. IIRC
 
Carpenter Tecnology Corporation? It means only that they produced it. It has indeed been more than a few years since I have looked at one of their catalogues to order what I needed for a die or fixture. A very wide, comprehensive selection of tool steels are available up to the exotics _ my term. The tried and true/common O1, A2, air hardening, oil quench were the more commonly used. If heat treating was needed, I wanted something more dimensionally stable, maybe giving up some machinability if I didn't need a ground tolerance in the low tenths. All in all, it is a company providing many products for many apps.
 
Yep! You have to fit the alloy to the task at hand. I do a little machining and make my own knives. Once in a while I use junk stuff that I have sitting around for jobs that don't require really good steel. I don't do work in the tens anymore, it just isn't required in the stuff I make. I graduated to being a "Hack" in my old age. ;)
 
Yep! You have to fit the alloy to the task at hand. I do a little machining and make my own knives. Once in a while I use junk stuff that I have sitting around for jobs that don't require really good steel. I don't do work in the tens anymore, it just isn't required in the stuff I make. I graduated to being a "Hack" in my old age. ;)

I'm with you about forgetting the tenths 90% of the time. Retirement ain't paying enough to mess with it.......;) When all it fits is "air", why bother?
 

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