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22ppc. 73gr Berger BT

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Lee Gardner Precision
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I’m building myself a new rifle just because I bought a new custom stock that I’m really liking. I need nothing and I don’t have time to compete these days anyway. I spend all my spare time getting my customers ready to shoot.
Anyway I have been racking my brain on what to build. My latest idea is a full size 22ppc . I’m thinking or wondering how this might work with Bergers 73gr target BT bullet.
If I can find the time to compete I’ll hit a local 300 yard match. I can’t help but wonder how I might do with this combo. I’d like to find a 9 twist but probably settle with an 8.
Anyone shoot this combo.
Here is the stock that started these ideas. I bought a Bat B for it so now I just have to decide on a caliber.
Lee
 

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I’m building myself a new rifle just because I bought a new custom stock that I’m really liking. I need nothing and I don’t have time to compete these days anyway. I spend all my spare time getting my customers ready to shoot.
Anyway I have been racking my brain on what to build. My latest idea is a full size 22ppc . I’m thinking or wondering how this might work with Bergers 73gr target BT bullet.
If I can find the time to compete I’ll hit a local 300 yard match. I can’t help but wonder how I might do with this combo. I’d like to find a 9 twist but probably settle with an 8.
Anyone shoot this combo.
Here is the stock that started these ideas. I bought a Bat B for it so now I just have to decide on a caliber.
Lee
I’ve not shot anything that light in my 22 PPC. I went 7.5 twist with 90gn bullets and have been very pleased:

 
Love that stock and understand your wanting to shoot it. Wondering if that BAT could also work with the BR case if so I'd be trying that Berger in a 22 BRA.
Matt
 
I have a couple different 6br rifles and a bra. I have 2 30br rifles and a couple 6ppc rifles . All benchrest stuff. Then I have several precision long range rifles. I just don’t need anything but I’m gonna do something. lol.
I’d think the 90’s would be a bit too much for a ppc. Plus I’ve never really seen any real benchrest accuracy shooting them in my 22BR or Dasher. Interesting though. I’d love to follow up once you get going.
 
I shot this combination many years ago. I had two 8 twist barrels done a lilja and a Maclennan. I could not get out of the low to mid threes with either one at 100yards. I think if I was itching to build something it would be a full lenght 22ppc in a slow twist and push a 52 as hard as you could for 300 and in. Good luck in whichever route you chose.
 
I have a couple different 6br rifles and a bra. I have 2 30br rifles and a couple 6ppc rifles . All benchrest stuff. Then I have several precision long range rifles. I just don’t need anything but I’m gonna do something. lol.
I’d think the 90’s would be a bit too much for a ppc. Plus I’ve never really seen any real benchrest accuracy shooting them in my 22BR or Dasher. Interesting though. I’d love to follow up once you get going.
I’m not going to yank your chain and say it keeps up with a well tuned 6 bra or dasher, but it regularly goes sub 1” at 500yds and has shot around 4” at 1000yds in reliable conditions. It is more sensitive at that distance than bigger stuff but it doesn’t have the vertical problems that 223 FTR shooters battle. It has enough room to drive the 90s at 2960 or so, and the good node is 2920 to 2960ish in several 22BR barrels and this PPC barrel. That thread I linked has many pages, including my results from the Rendezvous 5 last week.
 
I shot this combination many years ago. I had two 8 twist barrels done a lilja and a Maclennan. I could not get out of the low to mid threes with either one at 100yards. I think if I was itching to build something it would be a full lenght 22ppc in a slow twist and push a 52 as hard as you could for 300 and in. Good luck in whichever route you chose.
You might be right and I’m thinking something similar. If I’m gonna shoot 52gr match bullets I’d do a .100 short 22ppc. I have several reamers here in my shop for them.
I’ve had several over the years. Most of the time the 6ppc kicked its butt.
 
You might be right and I’m thinking something similar. If I’m gonna shoot 52gr match bullets I’d do a .100 short 22ppc. I have several reamers here in my shop for them.
I’ve had several over the years. Most of the time the 6ppc kicked its butt.
I had a Waldog and it was an amazing little round. 52 gr Bergers at 3500 fps and many groups in the 1's. When my 6PPC dies I will have another Waldog. Great little round for sure. A .22 PPC shooting the 62 gr Eld-Vt could be a fun journey to take. Keep us posted on whatever you choose.
Paul
 
I just stumbled onto some Berger 22cal 70gr VLD bullets I didn't even know these were made anyone have any experience with them?
 
I have shot the Berger 70 gr VLDs in my Savage 12 FV bolt action .223 with an Oryx stock and a new Shilen Select Match 416R stainless steel 26-inch 1:7 twist barrel off a bench with a F-Class bipod and a Protektor rear bag.

They were shot with Varget powder and jumps averaging from 0.014 to 0.016 in 4 different sessions at an exit time matched to this particular barrel steel and length.
16 5-round groups at 100 yards averaged 0.227 with the best load of 0.215 and the best group of 0.184.
That was right on the 0.227 overall average for this new barrel after 132 groups with 12 different bullets ranging from 69 to 90 grs.
73 Berger VLDs lead the list at 0.211 and 73 Hornady ELD-Ms are second with 0.214,
The 70 Berger VLDs are 8th best of 12 Bullets.

All barrels are somewhat different in my experience so you will need to experiment a bit with different bullet weights.
My old factory barrel averaged 0.285 for the same number of groups with the 70 Berger VLDs, but that averaged 0.273 after 9015 groups for 12th out of 25 bullets. I haven't planned on shooting any of the bullets below 15th on the old factory barrel's list in the new barrel.
As you can see, I am a bit anal about record keeping, but it provides lots of data about what powders and bullets work best in my different rifles.
 
As to the 73 Berger BT bullets, if they are #22420s (mine have LTB on the box), they shoot even better than the 70 Berger VLDs in my new Shilen barrel on my Savage 12 FV. Hornady 73 gr ELD-Ms were second on the list with an average of 0.214 for 16 groups.
The 73 Berger's LTBs are the #1 bullet so far in the new barrel and average 0.211, but for only 4 5-round groups. I was about out of those bullets because they were also the 4th best bullet for my old factory barrel (average of 0.271 for 32 groups).
The old factory barrel was a 1:9 twist and liked most 73 gr target bullets the best. Hornady ELD-Ms 73 grain bullets were #1 on the list and averaged 0.262 for 99 groups at 100 yards.
 
I shot this combination many years ago. I had two 8 twist barrels done a lilja and a Maclennan. I could not get out of the low to mid threes with either one at 100yards. I think if I was itching to build something it would be a full lenght 22ppc in a slow twist and push a 52 as hard as you could for 300 and in. Good luck in whichever route you chose.
You might be right and I’m thinking something similar. If I’m gonna shoot 52gr match bullets I’d do a .100 short 22ppc. I have several reamers here in my shop for them.
I’ve had several over the years. Most of the time the 6ppc kicked its butt.
These folks have "been there and done that", I have to agree! Many confuse whats needed to shoot Varmints with what is needed to shoot BenchRest! They are two different disciplines, and anything that is perfect for one is lacking for the other! Absolute accuracy is demanded for BR. You will find you are handicapping yourself with any 22, shooting inside 300 yards against a 6mm PPC, FACT!

Ist off the accuracy demands accuracy capable in the zero's, for a 5 shot timed group, you can't just wait for the condition you want most times. And it takes five consecutive groups, most in the .1's to account for that one wtf group, that will happen if you want those aggs competitive!

The big problem is reading conditions, you might get it to group as good as a 52 grain match bullet, but the 70 ish grain bullets in that little case are going to be lacking the speed to shoot thru those conditions you miss! It also is going to recoil more, with more dwell time in the barrel, and will negate its wind drift advantage in catching more of it with the extended time to the target, and larger profile combined, to make that a wash in match conditions!

Their is a reason the 6ppc dominates, and does so with 62 to 68 grain bullets,,, it's the happy spot, giving good speed, light recoil, less dwell time, and capable of getting to the target with minimal time for a condition to catch you off guard.

There is a reason the 6mm is so dominate, and to take them on, in a extreme accuracy situation with a 22ppc, I'd be driving that sucker as fast as I can, and remembering the only penetration I need is to get thru the paper!

Now, for Varmints,,, anything bigger than prairie dog, you might be better off with a 70 grain bullet, but many confuse success with LR varminting anyways. For me personally, it's kick it, or you can't count it! with the 73 grain bullet, in the little PPC case ya I'd say it will still open up at 400 yards, and that might be a help for conditions at that range, where the 52 is down to it's speed by 300 probably, never did the math. But beyond that, you might as well shoot solids or full metal jacket! and even at 400, it will probably need something with some mass to open up, ground hogs or coyote, but anything thinner skinned or smaller, and if it aint a direct hit in the vitals, it aint going to open up to help drop it before it crawls off, then in all my years, I call it a miss. If he got away, only the good Lord knows if it was a kill!

I'd go with a BR case in some form, or larger, if I were going to shoot anything 60 grains or over in 22 cal. It will be just as competitive in BR competition, and be much better in the varmint fields! JME, and yes, I've had those same urges, that's how I can make these comments.

Whatever you decide, good luck, and enjoy.
 
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OH, and PS: F clas, and PRS are far from what is demanded by Benchrest! Been there done that too! And a 22 PPC aint much to compete with for those disciplines either. Built right, with proper components, and the 22ppc a;; the way down to the -.100" 22ppc can be worthy completion, but you better be at your best, cause the 6mm has the edge for forgiveness!
 
I have shot the Berger 70 gr VLDs in my Savage 12 FV bolt action .223 with an Oryx stock and a new Shilen Select Match 416R stainless steel 26-inch 1:7 twist barrel off a bench with a F-Class bipod and a Protektor rear bag.

They were shot with Varget powder and jumps averaging from 0.014 to 0.016 in 4 different sessions at an exit time matched to this particular barrel steel and length.
16 5-round groups at 100 yards averaged 0.227 with the best load of 0.215 and the best group of 0.184.
That was right on the 0.227 overall average for this new barrel after 132 groups with 12 different bullets ranging from 69 to 90 grs.
73 Berger VLDs lead the list at 0.211 and 73 Hornady ELD-Ms are second with 0.214,
The 70 Berger VLDs are 8th best of 12 Bullets.

All barrels are somewhat different in my experience so you will need to experiment a bit with different bullet weights.
My old factory barrel averaged 0.285 for the same number of groups with the 70 Berger VLDs, but that averaged 0.273 after 9015 groups for 12th out of 25 bullets. I haven't planned on shooting any of the bullets below 15th on the old factory barrel's list in the new barrel.
As you can see, I am a bit anal about record keeping, but it provides lots of data about what powders and bullets work best in my different rifles.
Any rifle capable of a best group of .184, that can average .227 for 16 consecutive 5 shot groups will win most HV or LV Benchrest Matches, were you shooting in a wind tunnel? either way,,,,,, nice shooting.
 
Any rifle capable of a best group of .184, that can average .227 for 16 consecutive 5 shot groups will win most HV or LV Benchrest Matches, were you shooting in a wind tunnel? either way,,,,,, nice shooting.
Actually, the 0.184 was the best load (for 3 5-round groups of 77 gr SMKs #9377) but the best group I have ever shot with the new Shilen barrel is 0.127 with 73 gr ELD-Ms.
The Shilen barrel is capable of shooting way better than I can. It is a joy to get a couple of really good groups.
Out of 130 groups, I have shot 28 groups under 0.2 inches.

Since 2014, I have been concentrating on improving my accuracy and improving my consistency and have actually reduced my group averages by 50%. I took a lot of work to eliminate my shooter induced variations, but I still have a SD of 0.036. Before I started concentrating, my SD used to be right around 0.100.

Even now, most of my 5-round groups have at least 1 bullet that strays slightly because I can't seem to manage to maintain the exact aim point or just get over confident and don't complete my regime.
I'm turning 82 in two days, so with a bit of the shakes and some growing cataracts, I'm probably not going to get any better, but having a great new barrel really has improved things.
I'm only able to shoot at 100 yards so some of the 90 gr bullets probably haven't gotten really stable yet at that distance. Our range is in a pretty populated area and there is no room for expansion.
 
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I went with a 1:9" 22 PPC and I shoot the Sierra 69 TMK using H322. It's a varmint rifle, not for targets, per se, but it's the most accurate rifle I've ever fired at 200 yards. I think yours will shoot the 73s really well.
 

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