.224 Remington Jet

[unertl]

A few years ago i saw a Jack Childress bench gun for sale. It was chamberd in .224 Remington Jet. (necked down .357) Dose anyone know of this round curently being used in benchrest, or of its capibilities in a rifle? The round was designed for a revolver and it was notorious for for difficult extraction unless the chamber was spotless. I'm posting specs of the cartridge though I believe the shoulder angle is incorect, but the rest of them are repeets of another spec sheet i've seen. Comments are welcome.

RE: Sorry I was mistaken the cartridge was notorious for sliding back and and jamming the cylinder. Not for bad extraction my mistake. (im not familure with revolvers, i misinterpreted the information)

 

[Preacher]

I've never heard of one of them being chambered for a rifle, it was a big enough PITA in the revolver....

 

[xpppcbr]

WOW Id love to have a 22 jet in a rifle , actually i brought up this question before . I have owned 4 H&R topper 22 jets and none shot any better than 1 3/4" 100yds
tried .222,.223,.224 diam bullets and nothing worked , but id bet it would do good in a rifle built right , also thought about the 22 SUPER JET , i keep getting burned by the jet but some reason its drawling me back in a bolt gun or a martini is what one day i will have

chris

 

[357Mag]

Uni -

Howdy !

No... nobody is campaigning a .22 Jet in no-kidding benchrest
comp. The case has too small case capacity, for one thing.

For an example: a .357Maximum necked-down to .224" cal and shortened about .002"; would give you same case cap as a .222 Rem ( which used to dominate benchrest... years ago)

A stock .22 Jet has smaller case capacity still.
And, stock.... they're .223" and not .224" calibre.
For best bullet selection, you'd probably want to go w/ a mild .001" neck-up ( and correct .224" cal barrel ).

For a short-range varminter ( under 175yd ), the Jet would be fine for most vermin ( W.A.G.).

Blue DOt, WW296 etc for some of the powder range.


Regards,
357Mag

 

[HillbillySniper]

Wow sounds like an interesting round.


Hillbilly

 

[Steve Blair]

A lot of the old, small capacity cartridges are very interesting and surprisingly efficient. The most practical choice of the category is the .221 Fireball, which can drive a 50 grain bullet at 3000 from a 24" barrel. Still, they are all fun.

 

[jonbearman]

+1 on the fireball,the jet is just kinda old fashion thinking and it would have to be single fed due to the rim and no taper on the cases.

 

[xpppcbr]

Yes old but you get the factor when your shooting at the line , who wants to be the same old guy with the 30-06 !!! Not me ;D

 

[unertl]

Ok so the primary disadvantege is the case capacity, and not having it as a true .224.

What if you were to form the brass for a standerd .224 bullet?

A build in this chambering would be a simple 100-200yd fun rifle trying to achive as much accuracy as possible in uncharted waters. The most this would be used for is 200-250yd squirl gun.(if it was capible of the accuracy)

FYI: Shock-WOW foctor isn't realy my thing.

 

[LHSmith]

There is so many things wrong with this idea (trying to get an obsolete, poorly designed, unsuccessful pistol cartridge to be competitive in a Bench Rest rifle) that I don't know where to begin. I really can't think of a more undesirable cartridge to use for BR, except maybe the 25 auto. Not the least of which is using pistol brass and to be competitive you will be loading it in an upper load window with slower burning powder......probably NOT a good thing. Secondly there's no case capacity....and I know how difficult it is to be competitive with the .222 against the PPC's of today.....and you would be less capacity than the Fireball- much less. Thirdly - that long taper will give case stretching problems. Buy/ build a rifle chambered in a proven cartridge and spend your resources (money and time) learning how to shoot in various conditions....you'll be far ahead if you take learning the accuracy game seriously. No wow factor from me if you show up with one at a match.
If the long case taper is the turn-on, go with the .220 Russian.....a round that has seen a few Super Shoots, or better yet the .220 Beggs ,a hybrid that takes care of the Russians inherent problems.

 

[RIFLE1]

WOW,.... (there is the wow your looking for,....)

that looks like an old Shultz & Larson target action. I had one chambered in an "original" 22 varminter, and it was truely competitive,..... very accurate. Problem was case stretch was insane with the set up due to rear looking lugs,.... regardless though,.... we're talking about a 22-250 that would repeatably shoot in the high one's and low two's,..... just had to throw the brass away after 4 or 5 firings. Very classic action. If you enjoy old classic hot rod rifles,... this is a sweet example. I still have mine and probably wouldn't part with it for less than 1500$,.... it is just too cool,.....

 

[unertl]

This is a pic of the trigger but you can see part of the action. Any idea who made either of them?

 

[Kenny474]

I can understand wanting to be challenged by an older and obsolete round. Burt this round goes beyond challenging and well into major pain in the arse. The list of issues with this round is probably longer than the list of guys that ever tried to use it and make it work.

.357 brass isn't exactly the softest stuff on the planet, and I would think reforming it into this round would create a number of issues. Dies will need to be custom, unless you happen to find some (good luck). And if it is known for stuck cases, that's just another reason to leave it behind. I can't see a rifle being fun when you need to bring a rod to beat stuck cases out wherever you go. And after you learn to deal with all the many issues,then spend god knows how long trying to find an accurate load, it's performance is so lack luster that it will hardly be worth it.

If you want an obsolete round that will make an awesome squirrel gun, look to the .218 Bee. It's very similar to what you are looking at, and won't have nearly as many serious flaws either. Dies, brass and reloading data are all available, though brass might be a bit tough at times. (I just did a Google search and found several places selling brass instantly) It's not known for accuracy, so it will still be fun to try to make it more accurate than it has ever been. It has all the positives of the Jet, without any of the negatives.

Another couple of options are 25-20 and the .256 Winchester mag. You could use either as a .25cal, or neck it down to .224. The .256 Win mag looks like it would be along the same lines as the Jet, and the 25-20 is a decent old round anyway.

Good luck with whatever route you choose. But I would go with the route that at least has a light at the end. (.218 Bee) ;D

Kenny

 

[Kenny474]

By the way, is that your rifle? If so, it's a very nice looking piece of hardware. Real classic.

Kenny

 

[unertl]

Kenny, no regretably this in not my rifle.

I first stumbled upon it when i was reserching set triggers. After a week or so i wished i'd saved a pic of the trigger setup and the stock but was unable to find it again. A few monthes later i found it again while researching the .224 Rem. Jet. I saved all the pics they had but the price was over $3000 so this piece of art wasn't within my means.

Jack Childress (im not familure with his work) if nothing else could shure make a beautiful rifle. All the metal parts were machine turned, and the stock is simply magnificant. The Unertl scope with the brass sunshade adaptor and long sunshade realy ads to the looks. This is the rifle that caused me to stumble upon benchrest guns and therby the sport.

 

[unertl]

another pic

 

[unertl]

sorry the max post info is 150 KB, had to post some pics seperate

 

[KLQ]

This is my grandfathers gun. If you have questions I can forward them on to my father.

 

[LCazador]

I've shot the Jet for some 40 years now in revolvers . I can't say I've ever seen anyone shoot benchrest with it . The 222 Rem with superior ballistics and the 221 Fireball would easily out shoot it at 100 yards . Don't forget that the bullet selection with match bullets is in the 52 grain category , which makes it difficult to get enough velocity out of the Jet to properly deal with wind shifts , etc . You are right , the revolvers have difficult extraction in dirty or rusty chambers , and can have problems also with jamming the cylinder in poor gas seal loads . I still shoot my S&W Jet , and enjoy it every time I go out . I shoot .222 and .223 diameter bullets in mine . There are more bullet choices in .224 .