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.223 Accuracy Load too hot?

Am just getting started loading 77 gr. SMKs in .223 Rem. for a semi-auto AR.

The Sierra Accuracy Load is listed as 24.1 grains of N140, which appears reasonable. But it looks way too hot when that data is input into Quick Load.

Anyone running that load in Lake City cases?
 
I use 24.0 N140 with a 77. For the long line, I use 24.2 with a Berger 80.5 and 24.4 with a Hornady 75 ELD. Wylde chamber. No issues for me.

I’ve used 24.0 of RL15, Varget, and N140 with a 77 in Lake City, Wolf, and Norma brass with no issues.
 
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Accuracy loads will vary quite a bit depending on the rifle. With a new rifle/powder/ bullet situation I first run a simple pressure test. I set the seater so that the bullet is about .006 into the lands, from an accurately determined touch length, start with a load that is well below where I want to be, by a couple of grains, and shoot one shot per load, carefully observing for pressure signs. I keep going until I see a little more pressure than I like and then, at the temperature and humidity I am testing at, call the previous load my max for that rifle. I try to shoot this test, that can be preloaded, on a day when the wind is easy to deal with, at 100 yards, using a couple of wind flags. Under those conditions, I can remember where the flags are so that all of the test shots are shot in condition that are reasonably close to each other. I do this shooting all shots over a chronograph, noting the position of each bullet hole on the target as I shoot them. After I am finished, I look at the target to see if there were any clusters, which I will then load three shot tests using the middle charge weight. Further investigation is done loading at the range, on the same trip. Using this method I am able to learn several things and get an excellent start on a load in a relatively short time, without using excessive components. The increments for my powder charges will depend on the size of the case. For the smallest cases .3 gr or less for the really small ones, for .308 and up .5 gr. The reason for testing with the bullet into the lands is so that I will not get any surprises when testing various seating depths, and since charges are worked up gradually, from well below maximum, there is no problem with pressure.
 
I dont shoot N140 but QL using 5.56 NATO pressure with 77smk and N140 shows way over pressure for me as well using a 20" barrel and default settings...

5.56 NATO 62366psi

24.0gr N140
74,395psi
2880fps

But, you have to make sure your data is correct in QL. It defaults to 28.0gr H20 case capacity for 5.56 NATO.. LC brass I use averages 30-31gr H20 Capacity..

So when I change case capacity to my numbers I last measured LC brass of 30.4gr H20... Pressure immediately drops to the following which is now below NATO max PSI:

24.0gr N140
61,380psi
2781fps


I plugged my go to 20" AR precision load into QL with their default settings which does the same thing...

77smk
8208XBR
LC brass
205M
2.255"

23.4gr 8208XBR
78,100psi
2924fps

But when I update QL with my actual LC H20 case capacity of 30.4gr here what I get which is right in line with what my chrono shows.....

23.4gr 8208XBR
61,616psi
2798fps

So make sure your putting in all the correct numbers. QL is only as good as what you put in...
 
Am just getting started loading 77 gr. SMKs in .223 Rem. for a semi-auto AR.

The Sierra Accuracy Load is listed as 24.1 grains of N140, which appears reasonable. But it looks way too hot when that data is input into Quick Load.

Anyone running that load in Lake City cases?
If it's an ar15, I would imagine the chamber is a wylde, i think you'd have to look hard to find a 223 rem.
With a wylde chamber and your load, you will be fine. As mentioned before, it's a standard service rifle load that people don't even bother to test because its a known accurate and safe formula. It works with normal MKs and cannelured mks too.
I find sierra load data to err on the safe side a bit which is fine. Figure out what chamber you have but this should be fine.
 
Load data from VV 77 grain Sierra hpbt
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The chamber is a .223 Wylde and I am developing a load for service rifle game(s).
Case capacity should be 31.0 gr., and will double check it.
Thanks for all of the helpful replies.
 
The chamber is a .223 Wylde and I am developing a load for service rifle game(s).
Case capacity should be 31.0 gr., and will double check it.
Thanks for all of the helpful replies.
This is not meant to sound rude but you're wasting your time developing a load. 24 gr n140 with a 77 smk has produced a lot of 9 and 10x cleans at 300. Save your time for practicing offhand. Check out the national match forum for confirmation. It will work fine in heat and humidity at a place like camp perry with no drama as well.
 
I use Gordon's Reloading Tool and find that 223 cartidge is very sensitive to COL. If I work up a load near max pressure and then try to seat it deeper by .010 or .020, I can exceed the max pressure rating for 223 which is near 55,000 psi.

Does Quickload allow you to enter your seating depth?
 
I use Gordon's Reloading Tool and find that 223 cartidge is very sensitive to COL. If I work up a load near max pressure and then try to seat it deeper by .010 or .020, I can exceed the max pressure rating for 223 which is near 55,000 psi.

Does Quickload allow you to enter your seating depth?
Yes, it does. Thanks
 
I have noticed that sierra load data is usually on the lighter side compared to most other manufacturers data. This doesn't mean that there max load should be some idiots starting load but just my 2 cents
 
I also would not start at a max load no matter how many people said it was okay. It's your rifle and hide. Also if accuracy is what you are after I would use IMR 4064 for 77-75 Gr. bullets and IMR 4895 for 69 gr. bullets. I have never seen a more accurate powder for heavy 223 bullets than 4064. I see why people use N140, because it is cheaper.
 
Twdmar hit the nail on the head. Dont waste your time with load testing. Load 24.0 N140 77 SMK at 2.250 long no crimp. Spend your time practicing and dry firing.
As for the specifics of the quoted load it's likely (but not guaranteed) going to be a safe load but that is based on the load falling within the published range of the VV data and the Sierra data. But the fact remains that case capacities do vary as do primers and ultimately you are dealing with powders that do vary in burn rate.

I would never blindly load any charge recommended on the internet regardless of the poster as it is ultimately my eyes and my life that I am putting at risk. You have no way of knowing how that data was arrived at. However, it is pretty easy to run a simple pressure test on any recommended loading level from a reputable source. You load from the minimum load to maximum load in increments. One shot per load and shoot for pressure. When loading for an AR it also give you the opportunity to see where your cases are ejecting. Helps to match the gas system in rifles with adjustable gas blocks. The AR is a different animal from a bolt gun and I personally would steer away from a maximum load or from any load that shows pressure signs. The reason is that higher pressure loads increase not only chamber pressure but increase the cycling rate of the rifle and the wear on the lugs.
 

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