22 Creedmoor and 6.5 Staball failed today

[Idaho-Lefty]

40.7 grains, a "Thrown Charge" of StaBall 65 and a Lightly "Jammed", 107 gr. SMK will shoot 5, in One Hole that can Be covered with, a Pencil eraser at, 100 Yds from, a "Good",.. Medium Hvy, 6 XC Barrel !
At least it used to, WHEN, I was couple of Years Younger, anyway !

 

[SVT_Tactical]

Not in 22 creed but in all other creeds I have, 6, 25, and 6.5, staball 6.5 has been best but with mid to heavy weight for each. I don't think it works well with bullets in the light side. I did try H335 in the 6 creed with light bullets and got good results but h335 can be very peculiar.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

Gary in Md.,..
Has a Good, .22-250 Rem Load, ( 1-8 twist ) w/ 39.0 gr's of, StaBall 65 and the 77 gr. TMK's / F-210-M's,..
Just how "Good",.. I Don't, Know,.. GARY,. where are, You ???

 

[Ironworker]

Gary in Md.,..
Has a Good, .22-250 Rem Load, ( 1-8 twist ) w/ 39.0 gr's of, StaBall 65 and the 77 gr. TMK's / F-210-M's,..
Just how "Good",.. I Don't, Know,.. GARY,. where are, You ???

Will the Staball 6.5 work with a 75 ELD and a 77 TGK ?

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

Will the Staball 6.5 work with a 75 ELD and a 77 TGK ?

It "Should" be, Fine,.. But, I would go no Lighter than, 75 gr's on, Bullet weight, w/ StaBall 65 in .22-250 or, .22 Creed. ,.. Gary,. must Be, Napping !
We need Him, to tell us, just How Accurate, His Load,.. IS and If, High "Pressure",.. occurs.
I Shoot, up to 41.3 gr's of StaBall 65 w/ a 107 gr Bullet in, a 6 XC so starting at, 38.0 grains, in the .22 Creed should Be,.. "Safe" ( Work Up,.. Carefully )
Gary's Load of, 39.0 gr's Sounds Fine to Me, in the .22-250 Rem at,.. 3,250 fps.
You Might want to Call, Hogdon Powder Co. Tech Support and ASK,.. Them If, a Safe Load, in the .22 Creed.

 

[Gary in MD]

Gary in Md.,..
Has a Good, .22-250 Rem Load, ( 1-8 twist ) w/ 39.0 gr's of, StaBall 65 and the 77 gr. TMK's / F-210-M's,..
Just how "Good",.. I Don't, Know,.. GARY,. where are, You ???

I’m here Lefty, the wife has me cutting firewood yesterday and today. LOL
I can’t claim shooting in the 1s & 2s with my loads, I’m not that good, especially with the little light barreled tikka
But those 77 tmks do shoot good enough for me so far. I’ll try and dig out a target when I get out of the woods. Now it’s back to work!

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

THANKS,. Gary,.. and please Look at, your Primers for,.. possible "Pressure" as Iron worker wants to, try StaBall 65 in His .22 Creedmoor with, 75's and 77's,.. Thanks !
I thought he could Start at, 38 or 39 grains working Up, Slowly and Be, "Safe" But,. IDK for, sure !
I'll be shooting, the 69 gr SMK's and 4350 for a While,.. before, I try Your, Load with, the 77 gr TMK's.

 

[Ironworker]

THANKS,. Gary,.. and please Look at, your Primers for,.. possible "Pressure" as Iron worker wants to, try StaBall 65 in His .22 Creedmoor with, 75's and 77's,.. Thanks !
I thought he could Start at, 38 or 39 grains working Up, Slowly and Be, "Safe" But,. IDK for, sure !
I'll be shooting, the 69 gr SMK's and 4350 for a While,.. before, I try Your, Load with, the 77 gr TMK's.

It cold here in Wild Nevada,I wonder if I should use Fed 215s?

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

Shot my Best 6 XC group ever, w/ F-210 M's on Dec 18th, 2022, in 25 Degrees, One Foot of Snow but, NO Wind.
Hogdon uses the F-210 M's for Testing most Cart's using StaBall that I've Seen ( I Use 43.3 gr of it in My 6.5 Creed Summer / Winter w/ 130's and it, Shoots,.. Great ! )
Why, Take a chance on, increasing your, Chamber Pressure with, Magnum Primers ?
I used to Shoot, F-215's, in a .270 Wby and .270 WSM with Over, 65 grains of, a Stick Powder ( IMR 4831 and IMR 7828 ) but, I wouldn't use, a Mag Primer for,.. 40 ish, grains of, Powder.

 

[longridgehunter]

Throw some varget in with those 62's. Or load some 70 bergers with your H4350.

 

[Gary in MD]

THANKS,. Gary,.. and please Look at, your Primers for,.. possible "Pressure" as Iron worker wants to, try StaBall 65 in His .22 Creedmoor with, 75's and 77's,.. Thanks !
I thought he could Start at, 38 or 39 grains working Up, Slowly and Be, "Safe" But,. IDK for, sure !
I'll be shooting, the 69 gr SMK's and 4350 for a While,.. before, I try Your, Load with, the 77 gr TMK's.

This is the last time that I shot the tikka on paper. Not the best group ever but this is it. Looks like a little shooter error on #5 ! LOL The first (4) went into .455”
77TMK, StaBall6.5, fed match primer, start at medium charge and work up. I’ve found, like others have mentioned, that staball6.5 seems to do better at the higher charges.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

Thanks a bunch,.. Gary !
I get One of those little ? mark "shots", every once in, a while, too..
Usually WHEN,.. I Lose "Focus" or, when I do my, .338 Win Mag.,.. shoulder "Hunch",.. thingy !
No Bad,. "Pressure" Signs, on Brass or, excessive Primer, protrusion / Flattening, Right ??
I'll likely try this Load, after I shoot Up my Stash of, 69 gr SMK's and IMR 4350.
I LOVE, all the Ball Powders but,.. StaBall 65,.. the Most !

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

@ ironworker,..
I just Noticed that, Hogdon Reloading Has, a fairly New, 2025 Reloading Book ( sometime in, 2025 ) that, "Shows" some, StaBall 65 Loads for,.. the .22-250 Rem !
But, I didn't Look to see If, there were any .22 Creed Loads, in Print ( sorry ).
My gun dealer was "Handling", the Book and he wanted me to, Buy it,.. I'm an Ole Tight wad and Since, I got My Data Free from, Gary,.. I Passed on, the Book. I bought, a Box of Horn 75 gr. BTHP Match Bullets, instead !
I'll try Gary's, StaBall Powder Load with, this Bullet for,.. Plinking Steel.

 

[Gary in MD]

@ ironworker,..
I just Noticed that, Hogdon Reloading Has, a fairly New, 2025 Reloading Book ( sometime in, 2025 ) that, "Shows" some, StaBall 65 Loads for,.. the .22-250 Rem !
But, I didn't Look to see If, there were any .22 Creed Loads, in Print ( sorry ).
My gun dealer was "Handling", the Book and he wanted me to, Buy it,.. I'm an Ole Tight wad and Since, I got My Data Free from, Gary,.. I Passed on, the Book. I bought, a Box of Horn 75 gr. BTHP Match Bullets, instead !
I'll try Gary's, StaBall Powder Load with, this Bullet for,.. Plinking Steel.

That 2025 manual does have some data using the StaBall6.5 for the 22-250 but does not list it with anything above 70 grains. I worked up (the old-fashioned way) for the 77 tmk for loads that seem safe in MY rifle.
Primers look good, easy bolt lift, etc. I would start a grain or two below my load that I gave in another rifle.
The 2025 manual does have data for the 22cm but not using the StaBall6.5.
Surely a guy could work up to a safe accurate load in his rifle if he desired.
The 2026 manual should be out soon I would think. It looks like there is data on their website for the 22cm using StaBall6.5.
Good shooting

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

Gary,.. Thanks, again,..
I'm like You,. I'll ALWAYS, "Work-Up" from, a Mid point Charge, in 3 tenths, increments watching for Pressure like,.. Ejector "Swipes", Bolt Lift, expansion at the .200 Line on casing and Primer protrusion, etc.
I'll probably start working up with, the Horn # 2279 75 gr. Match, Bullets at, 37.5 grs of StaBall 65.
I shoot, up to 41.5 grs of It, in my 6 XC with 107 / 108's,. SO I'm pretty Sure that, the 38 to 39 gr. load, in Your .22-250,.. IS,.. "Safe" ! ( Approx., the Same casing size but with, a tiny Bit bigger, Bore )
YES,. I see No reason Why, Ironworker couldn't start at, 38 grains and "work Up" a Load for, his .22 Creed with 75 or, 77 grain, bullets !

 

[Woollybugger]

Check out these pictures. This not to judge 6.5 stabal or any load data but an interesting warning. The 1776 and Copper creek loads are known to be 6.5stabal and these factory loads are favored by coyote hunters. The warning from Proof Research says they are too hot. This might be an issue with their carbon wrapped barrels but they don’t say that specifically. The speed they claim is testy. Copper creek is another “factory” round that has lofty speed numbers. I love hot fast 22 cals but this warning did wake me up.

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

StaBall 65 "Works" very Well at, Max and NEAR Max chg's, But can get, a Bit "Peaky" ( Pressures Go, way Up ),..
after that !
Use your Common Sense about, Veloc. & safe Pressures WHEN Reloading, unless you Like, picking Steel out of,..
your Face !
It's Real, "Pixie Dust" Accurate, in my 6.5 Creed and 6 XC cart's and I will Try some Later with, 77's and 80 grain Bullets in my, 1-8 Tikka, .22-250.
My first Reloads will Be getting, the 69 SMK's with IMR 4350, to shoot accurately, as I have a Lot of 4350 to, "Burn Up", first,.. But, Gary's .22-250 w/ 77 gr. TMK Load, @ 3250 fps, w/ 39 gr's of, StaBall,.. IS, on my Mind !

 

[Ironworker]

So far N550 is ahead of the pack.3400FPS with zero pressure signs is a winner

 

[RegionRat]

Check out these pictures. This not to judge 6.5 stabal or any load data but an interesting warning. The 1776 and Copper creek loads are known to be 6.5stabal and these factory loads are favored by coyote hunters. The warning from Proof Research says they are too hot. This might be an issue with their carbon wrapped barrels but they don’t say that specifically. The speed they claim is testy. Copper creek is another “factory” round that has lofty speed numbers. I love hot fast 22 cals but this warning did wake me up.

Yikes. Something doesn't add up.

I'm not sure if these loads are really StaBall 6.5? Based on running a QL model the pressure would be too high.

Just out of curiosity, I put a QL model together using a 22" bbl and not knowing the loaded length I left the COAL at 2.600" long, and ran the default case volume.

I ran 6.5StaBall to a full case to get the speed up nearly to those levels shown on the ammo box where they show a 3480 fps and the model is only at 3280 and already at 70 KSI. Something doesn't add up.
Maybe this isn't a StaBall6.5 load?

 

[Woollybugger]

StaBall 65 "Works" very Well at, Max and NEAR Max chg's, But can get, a Bit "Peaky" ( Pressures Go, way Up ),..
after that !
Use your Common Sense about, Veloc. & safe Pressures WHEN Reloading, unless you Like, picking Steel out of,..
your Face !
It's Real, "Pixie Dust" Accurate, in my 6.5 Creed and 6 XC cart's and I will Try some Later with, 77's and 80 grain Bullets in my, 1-8 Tikka, .22-250.
My first Reloads will Be getting, the 69 SMK's with IMR 4350, to shoot accurately, as I have a Lot of 4350 to, "Burn Up", first,.. But, Gary's .22-250 w/ 77 gr. TMK Load, @ 3250 fps, w/ 39 gr's of, StaBall,.. IS, on my

I was told by a credible source that this was stabal and I ran the same loads in 3317fps at 71455psi. and came to the same conclusion. Apparently Proof Research had the same issue too. I tried different slower powders but still could not get to 34

Yikes. Something doesn't add up.

I'm not sure if these loads are really StaBall 6.5? Based on running a QL model the pressure would be too high.

Just out of curiosity, I put a QL model together using a 22" bbl and not knowing the loaded length I left the COAL at 2.600" long, and ran the default case volume.

I ran 6.5StaBall to a full case to get the speed up nearly to those levels shown on the ammo box where they show a 3480 fps and the model is only at 3280 and already at 70 KSI. Something doesn't add up.
Maybe this isn't a StaBall6.5 load?

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I was told by a credible source that this was stabal and I ran the same loads in GRT to 3317fps at 71455psi. and came to the same conclusion. Apparently Proof Research had the same issue too. I tried different slower powders but still could not get to 3480. VV N555 (compressed 100.4 charge) could get to 3460 at 72859psi. TOOO HOT