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22 ARC

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Researching info from those with 22 ARC experience. Heavy bullets. Long Range steel type shooting. Just thinking about a new build. Have not decided bolt, or gas gun. Any thought and or comments greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
 
The ARC is a great little cartridge. We are happy as h##l about it here. Getting loads to shoot accurately is easy; just about every load we tested in our lab was less than an inch at 100yds. Really, it was a big surprise as you just don't normally see that in a cartridge. The PPC is one example of the same.
Recoil is minimal.
.22-250 performance from an AR-15
Properly throated for the heavies.
Efficient.

What else could you ask for.
 
22 Arc in bolt action it’s a very very good round, in a gas gun it’s not much of a difference compared to the 223. In a bolt gun it is hard to beat. Out to 600yds 80grELDM and 77grTMK really shoot, past that the heavy 85.5grLRHT "best at any range" or 88grELDM have an edge in my opinion. So far N540 really shines, N150, Varget, N140 work really well also. Tried some ball powders staball match, CFE223, Leverevolution and SD/ES fell off, not terrible but significant. The picture below is 80grELDM’s with N540 and GM205M Alpha brass. Hornady brass is good but SDs are upper single digits fine for under 500yrds. Really like the 80grELDX for animals shot a nasty 250ish boar hog with very thick shields little over 300yrds made like 3 loops and fell over dead, bullet was under the skin on far side could see the lump but didn’t cut it out. So 80grELDX for making them dead, 80grELDM for steel and 85.5LRHT for paper at any range 88ELDM if you want to save a little bit of change shooting steel out there. I have put around 1200 rounds through a 26” Heavy Bartlein on a Savage action cleaned it last night and put a bore scope down it and the guts look good, doesn’t look to be a barrel burner. Got 26” barrel on order for an Impact action and another for a Savage, done with ar15 22Arc it shoots good not a bad rifle its just for why, 223 and AR15 just works.
 

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22 Arc in bolt action it’s a very very good round, in a gas gun it’s not much of a difference compared to the 223.

Hodgdon data show a 200fps difference with the 62gr ELD-VT, and I'm doubtful the OAL used for the 223 with that bullet would even load in an AR mag. They are not close. With heavier bullets the OAL issue with the 223 vs 22ARC is just going to get worse.

I agree it would be even better in a bolt gun. I really had to neuter my 20 Practical bolt gun load to get it down to where my AR upper would shoot it without issues.
 
After reading all the comments, I believe I will go with a bolt action ( something different for me as everything before was gas gun). Have 6 ARC in gas gun. Now comes the proverbial rabbit hole, I know I asked about 22 ARC.
ARC is supposed to be better ballistics . 22GT more case volume. More velocity. I suspect more, or faster throught eroison.

If shooting the same projectile ( 90 grain) I am pondering using the 22GT for the greater starting line horsepower , ballistics say less drop with the ARC, however more velocity should be less air hang time for the GT. Ballistics say ARC less wind problems. Again more velocity less air time. I understand velocity can also be a problem. For my goal ELR on steel, I ponder 22 GT

My older mind is not following the stated ballistics when using the same projectiles.

More information will be greatly appreciated , both. 22GT, and 22ARC. Again bolt gun.

What say you RSGs. Really Smart. Guys.

Thank you to all.
 
Barrell length 26". Velocity 2950 fps with an ES of 30.4 and SD of 4.1 (10 shots).
Honestly, I was getting that speed with 75gr Amax and 75gr VLDs out of a 20" service rifle chambered in 223 Wylde. They were my 600 yd slow fire load. Yes, I had to feed them one round at a time. If I wanted to step up from a 223 in a gas gun, I'd just go to a 223 AI and call it done. The ARC will feed heavier bullets from an AR mag, but they are running too slow to generate any significant increase in down range performance IMHO. If your application requires a heavy bullet, and a gas gun then the ARC is probably the best bet just because it fits in the mag, but in that situation I'd take a serious look at what you could get from a Hdy 75gr HPBT Match bullet out of a 223AI which CAN fit in an AR mag. My guess would be that the actual down range performance would be similar to what you can get out of the ARC chamber, but the brass and bullets are both going to be a LOT cheaper.

Switch the conversation to a bolt gun, and its a completely different story. Now you're in the same category as a 22BR. 22ARC, 22 BRA, 22 GT, or 22 Dasher? The question is really a matter of how much case capacity you need to push your bullet of choice to the velocity node that you really want to reach. If you're like me, you automatically want as much case capacity as you can get, but if you increase your case capacity, how many powders are there that can take advantage of the added volume? Even though all but the ARC have been around for a while now, I'm still not seeing a lot of reports about super accurate loads at higher velocities. That doesn't mean those loads don't exist. I just haven't seen anything about them. Most of the time shooters are bragging about the accuracy of their load, but you end up finding out that they aren't pushing the bullet any faster than the would out of the smaller BR, ARC, or even PPC case. I'm wanting to build a bolt gun in one of these cartridges, and I've come to the conclusion that I probably won't gain any down range performance from the BRA or GT case without spending a lot of time and $$ at the bench trying a bunch of different powders. There was a time when I would have LOVED to do that, but I just don't have the free time these days. I'm better off sticking to the BR case because there's so much data available for it. I think that data can be easily leveraged to the 22 ARC in a gas gun also. That's just a question of how much do I want to spend for good brass, and how do I want to get it. Do I want to spend the money and neck down 6BR Lapua brass, or do I want to buy 6.5 Grendel brass from Peterson and neck that down, or do I not care all that much about the quality of the brass and just go with 22 ACR brass from Hornady? Since I'm looking at a custom build, I've decided the cost of the brass won't be a factor and I'm most likely going with 22BR. If I want more speed than that, I really need to step up to 22 CM, 22XC, or 22x47. I'm not ready for something that eats a barrel in 1500 rounds yet, so I'm going with the BR case.

As far as shooting the same bullet goes, the faster you push the bullet, the less it will drift in the wind. There's no other magic involved. A higher BC bullet from a case of SIMILAR size will always have less wind drift even if the lower BC bullet is a little faster. If you're shooting at unknown distances (like with PDs) the question is whether you'll gain more by having less wind drift (heavier, higher BC bullets) or a flatter trajectory (lighter, lower BC bullets). I'm wanting to whack PDs at 300-500 yds, and most of my misses with a 223 at those distances are due to trajectory so my plan is to focus on something that will push the 62gr ELD-VT around 3500 fps. If I were trying to bang steel at longer (known and fixed) distances, I'd be more interested in 80+gr projectiles.
 
The ARC is a great little cartridge. We are happy as h##l about it here. Getting loads to shoot accurately is easy; just about every load we tested in our lab was less than an inch at 100yds. Really, it was a big surprise as you just don't normally see that in a cartridge. The PPC is one example of the same.
Recoil is minimal.
.22-250 performance from an AR-15
Properly throated for the heavies.
Efficient.

What else could you ask for.
I guess I need to ask what you mean by ".22-250 performance from an AR-15".

The H2O capacity of a 22-250 is ~ 45 grains.

The H20 capacity of a 22 ARC is ~ 34 grains.

Granted the case shape of the 22-250 is pretty lame but 30% more powder capacity should make more than a marginal difference.
 
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I guess I need to ask what you mean by ".22-250 performance from an AR-15".
That's Hornady's marketing hype. It's not even close to real. In fact, I'd call it a flat out lie. Since the ARC can push a 55gr bullet as fast as a 22-250 can push a 75gr bullet, they want to claim that the 22 ARC is equal to the 22-250. Its like saying an F150 is just as powerful than a semi because it can keep up with a semi even if it has a couple dozen 6' 2x4s in the bed. I really want to like the 22 ARC because it does have some nice potential in a bolt gun, and it DOES let you shoot heavy projectiles at mag length from a gas gun (but so did the 224 Valkyrie), but this single lie from Hornady makes be absolutely despise the cartridge. Every time I think of it, I hope it goes the way of the Valkyrie.
 
Hello to All

Researching info from those with 22 ARC experience. Heavy bullets. Long Range steel type shooting. Just thinking about a new build. Have not decided bolt, or gas gun. Any thought and or comments greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
My 20” ruger G2 bolt gun did well out to 1300yards. Target pics are with the varget load.

Plinking load was 80gr eldm at 2930fps with 28.5gr varget
Hunting load was 80gr eldm at 3080fps with cfe 223

5@100
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5@750 Far left shot was the sighter to get on the plate.
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3 at 1040 top left shot was the sighter to get on the plate
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5@1308yds .67moa
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Just got a 7twist barrel in. About to have a 22arc bolt gun built on a tikka 223rem action that I had the bf opened up to .445 on.
 
It boils down to what you want it to do. My next .22 will be a .223 to stay in the F-TR arena.

When I wanted a 1000yd gun I went to 6BR. Good barrel life if not pushed hard and enough bullet weight for mild wind.

If you want to stay with .22 then it is a trade of barrel life (vel). 1000yd with heavy bullets is easy to come by, just have to pay the price for heavier bullets. Varmints where you want really flat trajectory is same. The more powder you burn the faster the barrel will go out. Pick a bullet weight and vel, then the most efficient case vol for that setup.
 

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