22-250 with 40gr Varmegdedons?

[Soup]

Folks,
I'm not all that interested in speed, but accuracy counts. I'm wondering if anyone uses Nosler 40 grain Varmegdedon pills in a 22-250? The rifle in question is a Ruger No.1 V. The barrel has been floated, action bedded, and a Canjar set trigger installed. Leupold scope. I used Accurate 2520-36.0 grains . Poor results!!

Thank you in advance for your time and consideration.
Have a nice weekend.
Semper Fidelis
Soup

 

[Idaho-Lefty]

YUP,. "Accuracy" FIRST !!
I Found that, 50 Gr V-Maxes, 52 gr. ELD-M's or, Berger's 52 gr. Varmint's, shoot the BEST, in My 1-14 Twist, .22-250 Rem.,.. "Down Loaded" a Bit to 3.400 to 3,550 FPS so that, I can see Sage Rats, Explode ( BRAKE's, do Work ! )
Sub 1/2 MOA accuracy with, all 3 Loads using,.. H-380 and H-4895 BUT,..
your First Step is to FIND, a Bullet for Your Rifles,.. Barrel / Twist.
Varget, would also be, a Good Powder to try.

 

[Clancy]

I have shot both 40 varm and 40 vmax, with the better accuracy and performance being with the Nosler as usual.

My #1 likes 52 grain Bart’s and RL 15 or Varget though

 

[jpx2rk]

The two 22-250's I had preferred the 50vmax or varmageddons with a load of H380. 38.0 g of H380 is a good starting point.

 

[Handi204]

My 22-250 likes 55 grain of most any kind over 38.00 grains of 380, Berger is a tad better.

 

[C.E.Smith043]

My 40gr load loves the IMR 4064

 

[fkimble@charter.net]

Kinda of a light load. Accurate/Hogden max is 38.6. Bump your load up a little maybe. What twist do you have. More details of load: bullet? jump/in lands, primer, brass. etc.
What barrel? Maybe sell the gun an get a bolt action. What scope? What size groups ? Do you have another gun that shoot little groups?

Frank

 

[WV Hitman]

I have 2 .22-250 XP-100 handguns. I've used 50 gr. VMax & BTs, but now exclusively 40 gr. Nos. BTs. Only powder I've ever used is AA2015. Sighted them in a few weeks ago- 3/8" at 100 Killed a little over 2000 groundhogs with them.

 

[Soup]

TTT

 

[Soup]

Gents,
I just measured the 40 grain Varmagdedons using a Hornaday O.A.L. gauge and bullet comparator. The bullets are so short I don't have any part pf the bullet in the brass. So I just tried using the OAL - All the manuals call for a length of 2.350-If I use that measurement it seats deep past the ogive and wouldn't hold the bullet.
Has anyone come up against this?
Thank you .
Semper Fidelis
Soup

 

[Ryan66]

Gents,
I just measured the 40 grain Varmagdedons using a Hornaday O.A.L. gauge and bullet comparator. The bullets are so short I don't have any part pf the bullet in the brass. So I just tried using the OAL - All the manuals call for a length of 2.350-If I use that measurement it seats deep past the ogive and wouldn't hold the bullet.
Has anyone come up against this?
Thank you .
Semper Fidelis
Soup

Not specific to the 40 varmegeddon .. but I’ve encountered the same scenario you describe with a 69smk in my 22-250 when seating it to book length of 2.350. That bullet is way too deep in the case at book length but I’m surprised a 40gr varmint bullet is?
My way of fixing it was to find my COAL with the bullet at light jam in the lands. Save that number as a reference point and started my load work up - pick a distance off of light jam so that the ogive is reasonably in the case neck and a distance off the lands you are comfortable with. Then did a powder work up. Next did a seating depth work up.

 

[jxb]

There's no 40gr anything that I know if that's even going to reach into the shoulder and have a COAL of 2.35. A 40 Sierra BK (flatbase/FB) doesn't even fill the neck, a Nosler 40 balistic tip it looks like the boattail just reaches the neck/shoulder junction.

I've been using H380 for a long time but there's lots of powders that will work fine in a 22-250. Mine liked the 50gr BT or 52gr HP the best. 55gr was fine too, it's just where we shot rats we wanted explosive not just for viewing but really for no zings. No holes in pipe makes for a happy landowner.

You told us some about the rifle, but not the barrel. Is it a factory 1:14 or ? does it shoot other stuff good (whatever "good" to you is, kinda like "poor results", what does that mean 1/2" moa, 3/4", 2", 5"?)
No. 1 factory barrels are a crap shoot, you might get 1/2moa or where's the nearest barn?.

 

[Soup]

There's no 40gr anything that I know if that's even going to reach into the shoulder and have a COAL of 2.35. A 40 Sierra BK (flatbase/FB) doesn't even fill the neck, a Nosler 40 balistic tip it looks like the boattail just reaches the neck/shoulder junction.

I've been using H380 for a long time but there's lots of powders that will work fine in a 22-250. Mine liked the 50gr BT or 52gr HP the best. 55gr was fine too, it's just where we shot rats we wanted explosive not just for viewing but really for no zings. No holes in pipe makes for a happy landowner.

You told us some about the rifle, but not the barrel. Is it a factory 1:14 or ? does it shoot other stuff good (whatever "good" to you is, kinda like "poor results", what does that mean 1/2" moa, 3/4", 2", 5"?)
No. 1 factory barrels are a crap shoot, you might get 1/2moa or where's the nearest barn?.

It's a Ruger factory varmint weight barrel. It does shoot 52 grainers. The 40 is the bullet I first tried after I had the work done and the scope mounted.
I've got H380-IMR4064-Accurate 4064-Varget and VV 133-135-140. Initial test results = 3" groups benched @ 100 yards.
Bill

 

[jxb]

It's a Ruger factory varmint weight barrel. It does shoot 52 grainers. The 40 is the bullet I first tried after I had the work done and the scope mounted.
I've got H380-IMR4064-Accurate 4064-Varget and VV 133-135-140. Initial test results = 3" groups benched @ 100 yards.
Bill

oh wow, yeah that's bad. So it should be a 1:14 barrel. If it shoots any others well and you're using the same shooting setup and position for the 40gr Varmageddon then it certainly seems to be an issue with those and not the rifle. You really can't do much with seating on a 40gr, I think with 40's I've went out to 1/2 diameter without issue, can't really do that with 50gr but 40's are so short they don't need much to hold em. If you haven't done a powder ladder test with those, that's what I'd do before messing with seating. Lemme explain why I say that.

I haven't tried those, but I know while doing powder ladder testing in both my factory stock Swifts (1-B and 1-V) with 40gr Sierra BK (which is similar to Varmageddon) I got wildly varying groups in both rifles with both rifles showing similar results on paper per load. I was using new brass, not yet fireformed so I didn't expect anything great, but wow what a variance. I started about mid charge and worked up to max load or pressure at .3gr per using Accurate 2700 and my groups ranged from 5/8" to over 4" with most being in the 3/4-1.5" range, two groups next to each other were in the 3-5" (I didn't even bother to measure em) with good groups on either side of those two. So unless you already did a ladder test then my guess is your load happens to be at the worse place. I'd think those Varmageddon should shoot comparable groups to those 52gr HP.

edit: I just checked the Western reloading manual and they seated to 2.405 for the Barnes 40 Varm. which appears to be a HP, so a tipped equiv might be even longer. So yeah maybe seat your 40 Varmageddon longer and see how they perform. You might find the lands but I'm pretty sure they're far enough out you'll never get close with a 40gr that's seated enough to hold it.

 

[MDT6BRA]

I never even look at book oal, that’s a Sammi, i measure my lands and seat bullets 20 thou deeper to start with. Then fine tune to where the gun likes the bullets in load development Book length is useless to me.

 

[jxb]

I never even look at book oal, that’s a Sammi, i measure my lands and seat bullets 20 thou deeper to start with. Then fine tune to where the gun likes the bullets in load development Book length is useless to me.

Yeah that was kinda my point, since there's no mag to limit COAL on a No. 1 it's usually best to just work from the lands. Trouble with a 40gr is them being so short I'm not sure it will be seated into the neck enough until it is way out.