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I have been giving this cartridge some serious thought lately. Thinking a "remage" build.
Anyway, my question is can you run 223 brass thru a 20 prac. full length die and be done? Is a bushing type die necessary? Im not looking to make a bench gun, just a walking, plinking rifle.
Thanks for any help
 
I have been giving this cartridge some serious thought lately. Thinking a "remage" build.
Anyway, my question is can you run 223 brass thru a 20 prac. full length die and be done? Is a bushing type die necessary? Im not looking to make a bench gun, just a walking, plinking rifle.
Thanks for any help

The 20 Practical is a 223 Remington necked down to 20 caliber without any changes. Depending on what brass your using be it new or used will determine what you need to do. I have necked new 223 down to 20 using bushings. I chose to do it in 2 steps and I didn’t loose any brass at all. If your going to used previously fired brass you may need or want to anneal in advance. Also I found that running the necks through the bushings in a slow and controlled manner also seemed to produce good results.
Using new brass I believe that you could use either bushings or a full length sizer and get it down to 20 cal. - Just go easy in the beginning so that you get a “feel” for the amount of force required and the technique to size it so that your not loosing a lot of cases.

- Ron -
 
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Although .223 brass is cheaply available why try to short circuit the process. I also use the 2 step process(sometimes 3 steps) and it works out so much better. I use Redding Type S FL dies and their bushings. Not cheap but, they will probably outlast me. I can almost bet you will end up going the bushing route because the 20 Practical is addictive and so much fun to shoot. Plus, the resizing procedure will then be a gimme. Good luck. Here's a little something to get your blood a little hotter!
 

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100% agree with the last 3 posts. - I'm going with Lapua brass on both my 20 Tactical (223 Rem parent) and 20 Vartarg-Turbo (222 Rem parent). - No need taking short cuts after buying a Borden Action & Krieger barrels
 
Well I have to come clean and say that I guess I am intimidated by using a bushing die set-up.
Never seen one used so I am completely ignorant on the subject. Always used 2 die rcbs sets.
In searching the 20 prac. out I think I've seen 6 or 7 different size bushings. How the heck do I know where to start and what bushings to use. Some do it with one bushing some with 2. Confusing to me! HaHa
 
Well I have to come clean and say that I guess I am intimidated by using a bushing die set-up.
Never seen one used so I am completely ignorant on the subject. Always used 2 die rcbs sets.
In searching the 20 prac. out I think I've seen 6 or 7 different size bushings. How the heck do I know where to start and what bushings to use. Some do it with one bushing some with 2. Confusing to me! HaHa

I know most here have forgotten more than I know about bushing dies, which makes me a good candidate to keep it simple. I encourage you to research and experiment for yourself instead of assuming I am qualified to make sweeping generalizations that apply to your situation.

In selecting a final bushing size, you need to know your case neck thickness. You also need to “know” the amount the brass will spring back after pulling from the die.

I assume you won’t want to turn necks on these little guys so you need to get a good measurement of case neck thickness and add that twice to the actual bullet diameter. This is your loaded neck diameter. Your bushing should be .002 to .004 smaller than the loaded neck diameter.

There are some who may coach you to take out the extractor ball from your die - and that might be risky advice if you haven’t turned the necks. The extractor pulls the neck open a tiny bit and helps take up the variation caused by a case neck that’s thicker than average. YMMV, there is at least controversy here between very serious shooters and the big die makers.

Honestly I’m not yet sold on the bushing method compared to my Lee Collet Die. From a practicality point of view, the LCD is great for moderate loadings since it requires no lube and if the case bodyband shoudler aren’t moving much, you’re done.
 
I do a .235 bushing and final pass with a .231 bushing. I use very little neck tension thus .231 works perfect on my cases. If needing more tension you could go down to .225 or .226. As noted by dgeesaman much depends on your brass. I use unturned Lapua and LC brass. Honestly, I have done 5 "wildcats" and have yet to order the correct size bushings on the first try. But I'm always looking that slightest of neck tension. I feel that if I wasn't that concerned with the neck tension I could get away with .235 and a .225 and be done with it. The little buggers are $13-$14 a piece. Just counted my bushings...I have 23 of them!
 
Well I have to come clean and say that I guess I am intimidated by using a bushing die set-up.
Never seen one used so I am completely ignorant on the subject. Always used 2 die rcbs sets.
In searching the 20 prac. out I think I've seen 6 or 7 different size bushings. How the heck do I know where to start and what bushings to use. Some do it with one bushing some with 2. Confusing to me! HaHa

A Redding type s bushing die in 223 Remington is easily converted to 20 Practical. You will then be able to load 2 different cartridges. I'd go with a full length die set. Remember the lube each time you pull the press handle. Love my 20 Practical.
 
Well I have to come clean and say that I guess I am intimidated by using a bushing die set-up.
Never seen one used so I am completely ignorant on the subject. Always used 2 die rcbs sets.
In searching the 20 prac. out I think I've seen 6 or 7 different size bushings. How the heck do I know where to start and what bushings to use. Some do it with one bushing some with 2. Confusing to me! HaHa

Never seen a specific 20P die set.

Reloads, for LC or other thinner neck wall brass most of us end up using .226"-.228" bushings (or a cut down or shimmed 204R collet die or universal 20 cal neck die), thicker stuff like PPU, Lapua etc. .229"-.231" (or a cut down or shimmed 204R collet die or universal 20 cal neck die). Depends on your preference. Rule of thumb I use is loaded diameter - .001" to start (assuming brass is annealed/new). Loaded diameter - .002" can cause excessive seating force and case distortion (mushroom at shoulder) if the brass is freshly annealed so pay attention to your situation.

For forming l also strongly prefer a multistep method, its almost mandatory with fired brass as the necks can be up to .252" or so OD, even larger in some instances. New 223 brass tends to ship at about .243" neck OD and if there is a decent radius or chamfer at the bushing mouth it can be done in one step no problems. Another option for 2 step method on fired brass is to use a 223 FL or neck die with the expander removed, these generally get you to .241"ish (the expander will put it at .243"ish) then final size. Recommend giving the neck OD a light chamfer before trying to neck down, and trim 'em after if LC they can be rather long to start (1.765") even new, and 1.770+" if milsurp once fired. Chamber length is usually 1.770" unless you have a custom reamer.

Forster also makes a 223 bushing die, it requires the same conversion as a Redding (17-20 cal decap setup, with or without the 20 cal expander), the parts are generally cheaper than Redding especially the bushings. I converted the Forster 223 micrometer seater to 20 cal and don't like it- the seating stem is VERY thin at the mouth and distorts immediately then becomes useless. Some of the 20 cal seaters aren't worth a crap and turn those spitzers into spire points (Forster again) because they seat very near the hollow and thin section near the bullet tip. Sometimes the 223 seater stems work better, but the Forster micrometer seater you have no choice have to convert both body and stem to 20 cal.

The Hornady universal 20 cal seater works fine and is cheap.

Reviews of all the 20P dies I've used-

204R Lee collet die (cut down approx. .075" at base of chamber)- works good until a FL size is needed, good for bolt guns and mixed headstamp brass.

Hornady 20 cal universal seater- works as well as any. Has roll crimp function if desired.

Redding 223 type S bushing die (NS or FL)- works fine, the gold standard.

Redding 223 seater- works fine, usually no need to change seater stem.

Forster 223 bushing sizer die- works well (after 20 cal decap conversion)

Forster 223 micrometer seater converted to 20 cal- not recommended.


If you already have 223 dies you may have a lot of it covered already. What 223 dies do you have now?
 
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Follow these instructions ^^^^^^ and you will save yourself a lot of grief, mistakes and wasted brass. Aside from this, another vote for the Redding S die process.
 
Great info guys. Yup, already read those 2 articles. I (with everybody's help from here) will get it figured out.
THANKS!!!! Time to work out the gun now, I'm sure I will have more questions in the future, Have a great summer.
 
Ok I think have read all there is on the 20 practical. So the consensus is that I need to get a redding 223 full length s bushing die and probably 2 bushings. Lets just say I use a .235 and then a .230 bushing. Do I have to change the expander in that die to a 20 cal. size before I start? Again i'm ignorant on the bushing dies and then adding a caliber change into the mix has me confused. I Realize I will have to get a seater die also.
Thanks for the patience! Gary
 

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