WANTED 20-223 imp dies ?
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crystalgayleguy
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You might have to get a 223 ai bushing die
L.Sherm
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Thats exactly what I would do and just use the appropriate bushing.
shooter74
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Had given that a thought.
Herrmannator
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Get a Redding body die to go with the bushing die
Herrmannator
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I love my 20-223I
Herrmannator
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I use the body die to initial form from 223 FC brass left by local police forces at our range. After that pretty exclusively use a neck bushing die to do my cases after fireforming to my gun. Ackley hardly stretches.
Can use body die for 223AI also
I take advantage of free brass whenever I can these days.
Little different philosophy
crystalgayleguy
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To each his own
Right On. Just do it your way. Everyone does things different. Just screws up your mind getting
all their advice.
L.Sherm
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My comments have nothing to do with using a Body die vrs FL die. I bought a 20 Prac PTG reamer from Herrmanator and had a 20 Prac chambered with it got it home and wouldnt even chamber a piece of brass that was sized with my 223 Redding to .375 at the base. I'm 99% sure its why he has to use a body die because my guess it was chambered with the PTG reamer he sold me and when I mentioned that to him his comment was get a body die and sent me a copy of the print, well as you can see the print says .3769 at the base but obviously when a sized piece of brass at .375 won't even come close to chambering the reamer isn't even close.
I got my JGS reamer the other day and cleaned up the chamber with it now is all good. The only reason I commented was that if a chamber is chambered with the correct reamer and die combo a body die is not needed only time is in brass that is shot very hot in a Big chamber then its best just to throw that brass away which I have about 2 or 3 pieces out of approx 3,000 LC once fired brass.
This is the print of the 20 prac that was sent to me of the PTG reamer
I got my JGS reamer the other day and cleaned up the chamber with it now is all good. The only reason I commented was that if a chamber is chambered with the correct reamer and die combo a body die is not needed only time is in brass that is shot very hot in a Big chamber then its best just to throw that brass away which I have about 2 or 3 pieces out of approx 3,000 LC once fired brass.
This is the print of the 20 prac that was sent to me of the PTG reamer
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jepp2
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Herrmannator
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I never had any trouble chambering my brass. Maybe just lucky with my die combination. The gun shot fantastic chambered with that reamer/and I sold the reamer as I got it from PTG and it came with that print. My expectation was LSherm would have the same experience I did.
After first firing I keep the brass with that specific gun and only neck size and bump shoulder there after.
Herrmannator
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This is dependent on whether you turn your brass and exactly what brass you use to form your cases. What I do is undersize the neck on whatever brass I'm using slightly, and then using a 20 cal Nk turn Expander Mandrel from Sinclair expand the neck to accept a 20 cal bullet. Then I load whatever bullet I want to shoot in the empty case. I measure the brass at the neck and buy bushings 1 thousandths and 2 thousandths under for my neck dies.
L.Sherm
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Like I said that print was atleast .0025 small at the base, a print can say what it wants but the actual size is what counts.
This is not the first time I've got a PTG reamer this way but I can guarantee you its the last. If your shooting new brass then nk size only and then use a small body die yeah its gonna chamber BUT I'm not going down that road. After you had your barrel chamber and measured just 1 piece of brass at the base you would see that its way out of spec.
Just fire a new piece in your gun then measure it and get back to us on the measurement.
Out of all the different rifles and calibers I have i dont own 1 body die or have ever used one never the need to if you have proper reamers and dies.
L.Sherm
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Herrmanator if you dont believe what I'm telling you I will send you a couple pieces of FL sized brass from my Redding 223 FL die and see if it chambers in your gun, the only brass that die has FL sized that didn't chamber was the chamber your PTG reamer was cut with. Now after cleaned up with the JGS one it sizes and chambers just fine.
Herrmannator
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L Sherm
I buy Redding Type S Neck- 3 Die sets for my guns. They come with a Body die/ Type S Neck bushing die/ and a competition Michrometer seating die.
Like I said, I never had an issue with the brass not working in my gun. I saw no need to measure the base and still don't see the need. Gun shoots really fine for me, chambers correctly, and as I said I had the same expectations for you.
If you knew PTG reamers may have had an issue, you should not have bought this one from me.
I do believe you also though ....we just load differently.
You admitted you cut your chamber with that die and then wanted to return it. Sorry it didn't work out the way you expected but I don't feel that was my problem.
So let's not continue down this path any longer.
I buy Redding Type S Neck- 3 Die sets for my guns. They come with a Body die/ Type S Neck bushing die/ and a competition Michrometer seating die.
Like I said, I never had an issue with the brass not working in my gun. I saw no need to measure the base and still don't see the need. Gun shoots really fine for me, chambers correctly, and as I said I had the same expectations for you.
If you knew PTG reamers may have had an issue, you should not have bought this one from me.
I do believe you also though ....we just load differently.
You admitted you cut your chamber with that die and then wanted to return it. Sorry it didn't work out the way you expected but I don't feel that was my problem.
So let's not continue down this path any longer.
L.Sherm
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First of all I cut the chamber with the reamer not the die, second of all that reamer isn't even close to what the print says. 3rd you say use a body die no need to if the reamer is what its suppose to be.
4th the reamer is not what its suppose to be correct? If you claim it is i will send it back again to JGS like I already have once to see if it could be reground and you can call them and they will tell you what I told you in the first place when I got the gun back from being chambered.
I'll make you a deal, ill send the reamer back to JGS again if they tell you what I have you give me my 150.00 back DEAL?
Or ill send you 2 pieces of sized brass that are sized at .375 at the web you take a video and see if they chamber in your gun and post it here because if its .3769 like your print says should chamber right?
Your the one who told me just buy a body die.
I can post our conversations when I told you even my gunsmith measured it and came up with .374.
By the way I could have sold that reamer this mourning but I said no thats the business I do.
Or should I have said sorry didn't work out for you.
IS THE REAMER WHATS ADVERTISED on the print dimension wise or even within .001 or .002
4th the reamer is not what its suppose to be correct? If you claim it is i will send it back again to JGS like I already have once to see if it could be reground and you can call them and they will tell you what I told you in the first place when I got the gun back from being chambered.
I'll make you a deal, ill send the reamer back to JGS again if they tell you what I have you give me my 150.00 back DEAL?
Or ill send you 2 pieces of sized brass that are sized at .375 at the web you take a video and see if they chamber in your gun and post it here because if its .3769 like your print says should chamber right?
Your the one who told me just buy a body die.
I can post our conversations when I told you even my gunsmith measured it and came up with .374.
By the way I could have sold that reamer this mourning but I said no thats the business I do.
Or should I have said sorry didn't work out for you.
IS THE REAMER WHATS ADVERTISED on the print dimension wise or even within .001 or .002
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