2 rifles shoot the same load?

[TZaun]

I have two young kids (13 & 15) and I'd like to build identical rifles for them to shoot Conventional next year. I'm wondering if I ordered identical actions, identical barrels, chambered with the same reamer, and put them in Eliseo stocks, is there a really good chance they would shoot identical loads? I would really like to keep reloading as simple as possible. My mid-range F-Class rifle is a 6.5x47 and I'm leaning towards building them 6-6.5x47s and shooting 105 Bergers. I want something with fairly light recoil and since I already have a bunch of 6.5x47 brass, thought I'd try the 6-6.5x47 for them.

 

[ShootDots]

I tried, not one but two 6-6.5x47's. Both were the same>>>>terrible inconsistencies in accuracy. One day they would be a laser, the next a shotgun. No not REALLY a "shotgun" but definitely good one day and not so good the next. I don't like that. Besides, if you shoot 123's in your 6.5 x 47's the recoil difference may be inconsequential!

 

[savagedasher]

I have myself 5 dashers and four of my friend have one or two each and all of us shoot the same load but with different seating depths . All of us do it with the aide of a tuner
Larry

 

[TZaun]

I tried, not one but two 6-6.5x47's. Both were the same>>>>terrible inconsistencies in accuracy. One day they would be a laser, the next a shotgun. No not REALLY a "shotgun" but definitely good one day and not so good the next. I don't like that. Besides, if you shoot 123's in your 6.5 x 47's the recoil difference may be inconsequential!

Very good to know about the accuracy difficulties. I'll take the 6.5x47 and 123s into consideration. This might be my chance to try the Dasher or BRX also. I need to find something with light recoil but the best wind cutting abilities. Thanks Ben.

 

[Downhill]

In the daily bulletin a while back was an article about John Whidden using the same 243 load in 3 different rifles. Since he took a 2016 championship I would say it's possible.

 

[savagedasher]

Very good to know about the accuracy difficulties. I'll take the 6.5x47 and 123s into consideration. This might be my chance to try the Dasher or BRX also. I need to find something with light recoil but the best wind cutting abilities. Thanks Ben.

Put a tuner with a brake on the guns .
But make sure the have good hearing protect.
Larry

 

[TZaun]

I have myself 5 dashers and four of my friend have one or two each and all of us shoot the same load but with different seating depths . All of us do it with the aide of a runner .
Larry

Excuse my ineptedness Larry. What's a runner?

 

[savagedasher]

Excuse my ineptedness Larry. What's a runner?

Looks like a mistake or not proof checking
U think smile Larry

 

[Milo 2.0]

Google Sin City Precision, group from Vegas run a clubhouse load, all work performed by same guy. Not going to step out and say benchrest accuracy.
But sounds like it works for them.

 

[Keith Glasscock]

I have 2 each 284 win barrels and Dasher barrels. Oddly enough, the pairs of barrels do shoot the same load except for seating depths - wear related.

So, I think you should have a fair chance of two shooting the same load. No guarantees.

 

[rpierce]

Thats happened to me every time Ive chambered a 284 winchester or shehane for myself. My 284 shehane fireforming load of 54 gr of 4831sc has shot lights out in the 3 barrels ive shot fireforming loads in. By lights out all 3 barrels have shot a 200-17x at a 600 yd fclass match fireforming brass. In all my 284 win barrels, over a half dozen, 55.4 gr of 4831sc has hammered. Another nice thing is the brass is completely interchangable in all the guns for the same caliber, under .0005/half thou difference in headspace between the guns.

 

[ShootDots]

Very good to know about the accuracy difficulties. I'll take the 6.5x47 and 123s into consideration. This might be my chance to try the Dasher or BRX also. I need to find something with light recoil but the best wind cutting abilities. Thanks Ben.

You would love either the Dasher or BRX>>both excellent rounds..

 

[XTR]

I'd venture a guess that a whole lot of 223s shooting 90VLDs are shooting pretty much exactly the same load. Most of the F-TR shooters are using the same reamer print, and almost every F-TR shooter that I've talked to recently, who is shooting a 223 at mid range is using the same load ±.2 grains, and I'd wager that if we traded ammo you couldn't tell the difference on an F class target.

 

[TZaun]

I'd venture a guess that a whole lot of 223s shooting 90VLDs are shooting pretty much exactly the same load. Most of the F-TR shooters are using the same reamer print, and almost every F-TR shooter that I've talked to recently, who is shooting a 223 at mid range is using the same load ±.2 grains, and I'd wager that if we traded ammo you couldn't tell the difference on an F class target.

Interesting about the 223 and 90s. How much, if any, do they give up to, say, a Dasher and 105s in the wind? I need to keep that in mind, as well, since I'm trying to get a couple of inexperienced shooters up and running. I see it doesn't take much of a wind gust, or let up, for the Conventional guys to get off the paper at 1,000.

 

[XTR]

The 90VLD running at about 2800 is on par ± with the 185Jugg in a 308 running about 2750 at pretty much any range. Both of those are very achievable loads. Guys trying to run the 223 to 1000 and compete with the 308s are pushing harder to get to the upper 2800s, but the brass suffers. I hear 4 reloadings or less when you start to step on it.

Inside of 600 yards the 90 VLD gives up little to anything, except recoil.

The recipe with a 28-30" FTR rifle is :
1:7 twist barrel
Dave Kiff's ISSF 223 reamer with a .169 freebore
90VLD
magnum primer
24.5gr Varget
jam .010

Some get good accuracy jumping 15-20

 

[TZaun]

I just ran the 223 and 90s @ 2800fps vs. the Dasher and 105 Hybrids @ 3000fps on Berger's calculator. 5 MPH gust or let up @ 1,000 is 3.7 MOA for the 223 and 3.3 MOA for the Dasher. Not as much difference as I would've imagined, if I have reasonable velocities for each. Maybe the light recoil of the 223 will allow them to make better quality shots? Certainly something else to consider. I like hearing that there is a pretty good chance that I can get matching loads for each rifle. Seating depth is something very easy to adjust if that's the only difference I may encounter.

 

[XTR]

The little 223 case makes it very hard to get the kind of ES that holds inside of a ½ MOA vertical at 1000 yards. But for beginners shooting in the 3/4 range won't be a killer.

Shooting out to 600 yards they are a laser.

I would think that 223 components would be easier on the pocket.

One thing about the 90VLD, Berger only makes runs now and then, so on occasion they get scarce. They have been so since last spring. Berger just did a run. If you want to go this route you will be well advised to buy 12 months worth at a time when they are available.

 

[johara1]

I have two young kids (13 & 15) and I'd like to build identical rifles for them to shoot Conventional next year. I'm wondering if I ordered identical actions, identical barrels, chambered with the same reamer, and put them in Eliseo stocks, is there a really good chance they would shoot identical loads? I would really like to keep reloading as simple as possible. My mid-range F-Class rifle is a 6.5x47 and I'm leaning towards building them 6-6.5x47s and shooting 105 Bergers. I want something with fairly light recoil and since I already have a bunch of 6.5x47 brass, thought I'd try the 6-6.5x47 for them.

In no less tha 5 actions and stocks and at least 20+ barrels of different makes they shot the same load..... One thing in common the reamer!!! jim

 

[TZaun]

In no less than 5 actions and stocks and at least 20+ barrels of different makes they shot the same load..... One thing in common the reamer!!! jim

Well that seals the deal. I'm confident enough after that to give it a shot. Thanks Jim!! I also think I'm going to go with the Dasher. You think 2 young kids will handle the recoil of that just fine? I'm guessing a complete Conventional rifle will weigh in the area of 13-15#.

 

[paperpuncher]

I have a matching pair of 223s. 12 twist Brux barrels on blueprinted 700 actions. They both shoot the same load equally well and are incredibly accurate. I ordered the barrels at the same time directly from Brux.