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175 gr ELDX vs young moose at 150 yards

nakneker

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First of all I use the ELD-X bullet in multi rifles, I’m a fan of that bullet and Berger VLD hunters. They excel at long and medium range broadside shots. I’ve been witness to many a big game hunt come to a close with both of those bullets, they have their place.

Recently a good friend who lives in Nova Scotia went moose hunting, just got back on Saturday. It was a last minute guided hunt in eastern Canada. He asked me before his hunt what bullet I would use, I told him I’ve always used the partition on moose, a lot of these new Gucci bullets weren’t available when I hunted moose back in 96 and again in 2008. Today I would use partitions again, accubonds, Barnes, A frame and so on which is what I told him. He decided to use Hornady factory 175 grain ELD-X, I shared my thoughts that I thought it wasn’t the best choice for moose but it was his hunt and I respected his choice.

Long story short on the fourth day he got a chance at a young bull, that’s what he wanted, he wanted the meat. He shot the bull at 150, he felt like his hold was good and the guide reported an impact behind the shoulder. Bull ran off and was gone. They found a bit of blood but it dried up and they lost the trail, he’s the kind of guy that a wounded animal haunts him, he didn’t sleep well. The next day, to his relief, they found the bull again and he shot it three more times standing broadside at 150 or so yards. Bull kept taking the punishment but wasn’t dropping, fifth shot at the base of the neck got it done.

As they field dressed him they found the rib cage to be intact, none of the four bullets penetrated. They were able to find what was left of two bullets, pictured below, not much left. He was shooting a new 7PRC (175 grain @ 2967) and his shots were all in the vital zone off the shoulder bone. He was pretty discouraged… it wasn’t the rifle’s fault, wasn’t his fault. I gently reminded him I mentioned partitions, he wasn’t in the mood to hear it.

I saw this happen with a good sized elk, my cousin made a shot at 80 yards broadside, the elk flinched and stood there, second shot was at the base of the skull and it dropped, same thing, the bullet splashed on impact, didn’t penetrate the rib cage. He was shooting a 143 ELDX out of a 6.5-06 improved.

I’m not posting this to start a debate or to bash thin jacketed bullets. It’s more food for thought if you’re using them. Those bullets are amazing once you’re out there a bit and your velocities are slowing down. When those heavy constructed bullets are acting like a FMJ the ELDX and Berger will still expand and perform admirably. Just have to be aware of the close range possibilities if you’re using them. I’ll be using them both this fall helping others on hunts, they’ve been good to us in the past.
 

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One pretty chunky whitetail and one coyote -the only two critters shot with the 143 ELDX out of a Creedmoor convinced me not to use them on game.Coyote was broadside at 150 yards and dropped on the spot,but bullet didn't go thru. Buck was about the same distance-first shot was center chest as he faced me-staggered a bit and turned broadside and I put the next behind his shoulder and he dropped immediately. Found small pieces of lead and copper in the chest -broadside shot never reached thru chest cavity.53229123927_d04b59e59a_c.jpg
 
Those Cape Breton Moose are really huge. I saw one there in the back of a Toyota pickup at a fuel stop. The legs were literally dragging on the ground. LOL. Gigantic.
 
I used the same bullet on a spring bear hunt in Alberta the first bear that large enough to want to take was walking straight down the 2 track ahead of at about 150 yards I got into prone and told the guide to blow his varmint call to turn the bear. I had a quartering away shot and I shot the 175 ELDX out of one of my 30-06's, the guide and I heard the impact it was loud enough that I think many others in the county did. The bear definitely reacted and stumbled off into the brush.

We found the bear about 30 yards from the shot the bullet entered about 2 inches behind the last rib and was on the hide on the opposite side after blowing that rib out. The bear was not small not huge but the bullet went through a good 24 inches of vitals before taking out the rib on the opposite side. I still have not weighed the bullet but it looks like it retained at least 50% of it weight I thought there would have been complete cup and core separation given the explosive nature of the bullet.

The bear was about 325 pounds and about 6 feet from nose to tail, like I said not a small bear. Maybe I would have liked an exit hole for a blood trail but since the bullet did not leave the bear it dumped all of its energy into the bear. It died close enough that a blood trail was not needed.

I go spring bear hunting every year in Canada I usually use solid coppers out of my 375 Ruger or 9.3x62 and get two holes every shot, but for some reason this spring I decided to try something different, I rarely get a blood trail from the coppers out of the 375 or 9.3, the bears die before they can bleed much. Some will say the bullet failed because I did not get two holes I say it did not fail as the hide is at the taxidermist and we found it within 5 minutes of the shot.

I could not get the solids I had in 30 caliber to shoot well out of the 30-06 I decided to take if I had I would have shot them. The ELD-X shot great out to 300 yards out of the bone stock Howa I grabbed for the hunt, Will I use the ELD-X's out of the 30-06 next spring bear hunt, no I will probably take my 9.3x62 with the 375 as a backup in camp. I think the ELD-X would make a great deer bullet for broadside shots.

That is my experience with the ELD-X and only a sample size of one so take it for what it is worth.
 
I shot two elk with the ELDX. One with a 200 grainer out of a 300 RUM at 3100fps and shot the other with a 162 grainer out of a 284 at 2900 fps. Both impacts in the vitals. The Rum only took out one lung and the 284 got about 10” of penetration. I left that hunt thinking i should have brought target bullets.
 
The vast majority of experiences I’ve had with the ELDX has been 6.5 143gr and .284 175gr, I’ve witnessed a lot of spectacular one shot kills on Couses, Mulies, Elk and Bears. The two bad experiences were with my cousin and this secondhand report from my friend. I still have a lot of faith in them but I have taken mental notes if the shot is close.

Reply #2 Coyoteharvestor; I doubt I would take the time to tell Hornady about these two experiences, I’m pretty sure they are familiar with the problem. I’ve seen similar reports the last few years. It’s a good idea though. Too many guys having a lot of success with the ELDX, especially in the bigger 30 and 338 calibers.
 
I shot two elk with the ELDX. One with a 200 grainer out of a 300 RUM at 3100fps and shot the other with a 162 grainer out of a 284 at 2900 fps. Both impacts in the vitals. The Rum only took out one lung and the 284 got about 10” of penetration. I left that hunt thinking i should have brought target bullets.
At what range?
 
Interesting thread. I use the 200 gr ELDX in a 300WM for deer at longer ranges. Never had a performance problem at closer ranges but obviously there’s a lot of difference with a deer than moose/elk. Good info to have as I’d like to take a trip out west for elk at some point.
 

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