Fellas i am buying a nice used .100 short 22 ppc barrel for one of my BAT action and i was wondering if any of you fellas have ever played with this chambering? I am going to need some form dies and some reloading dies. I didnt know if anyone here might have some?? Also any info you can share about this chambering will be appreciated. Lee
.100 short 22 ppc
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Lee i have a 22Waldog i think it is close to if not the same if you can find out i will share load data with you let me know Mark
Lee, per my last e-mail, I found the L.E. Wilson die set, plus a modified Wilson case form die - I will measure, and if of the correct length, mail them tomorrow - if they don't work, or, if they do work, but once you're up and running, you opt for a different approach, please send them back. Good shootin'!
RG
RG
All I use for a from die is a standard 22-250 die with the stem removed and a plug if you will to go in place of the shell holder to push the case up far enough into the die. I then use a punch to push the case out of the die. It comes out easy. It sounds like a pain but once you get it set up it works really well to push the shoulder back.
A true waldog from what I have been told is a 125 short but it seems like mine there are a lot of 100 short that is referred to as a waldog.
Brian
A true waldog from what I have been told is a 125 short but it seems like mine there are a lot of 100 short that is referred to as a waldog.
Brian
correct me if i am wrong here please. I was thinking that the wall dog is based of a BR case? I am going with a .100 short ppcA good friend of mine has a nice barrel for me to try out. I have always liked 22cal stuff and if these things shoot as good as a 6ppc it will make total since to me to shoot one of these. I am an retired shotgunner and i absolutely hate recoil. even the recoil from a LV 6ppc is more than i like. I am really excitted to try this 22cal short range stuff out. My 6ppc barrel will be toast by years end so i will make the call at that time. Lee
The walldog is a short 22 PPC made usually from 220 Russian brass. Depending on who you talk to its either .100 or .125 short.
i am like you i like the 22 stuff and in calm conditions i think the walldog can run close to the 6 PPC. i know mine is a better shooter than i am and god only knows how many rounds have put through it since i am at least the third owner that i know of.
Brian
i am like you i like the 22 stuff and in calm conditions i think the walldog can run close to the 6 PPC. i know mine is a better shooter than i am and god only knows how many rounds have put through it since i am at least the third owner that i know of.
Brian
CajunBlake
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skeet
for loading, just get a Wilson 22PPC seater and have your smith trim -.100" off the bottom.
same can be done with a Redding 22PPC Type S die ( have smith chuck up in lathe and remove -.100" from bottom)
i had my smith do this procedure to my 17PPC -.180" short and it works perfectly.
as stated above, a 22-250 FL sizing die with guts removed will allow you to push back the shoulder to form cases.
I do it all the time when making my wildcat brass off the 220R case.
for loading, just get a Wilson 22PPC seater and have your smith trim -.100" off the bottom.
same can be done with a Redding 22PPC Type S die ( have smith chuck up in lathe and remove -.100" from bottom)
i had my smith do this procedure to my 17PPC -.180" short and it works perfectly.
as stated above, a 22-250 FL sizing die with guts removed will allow you to push back the shoulder to form cases.
I do it all the time when making my wildcat brass off the 220R case.
Lee,
I managed to put my foot into my mouth - the Wilson dies were not for a -0.100" 22PPC (second coming of the Waldog
); I had re-reamed them for my -.200" 22BR. Please accept my apology for not checking and confirming before making the offer of the dies.
The Wilson FL/Form die is good, but, as CajunBlake points out, a cut off 22/250 FL die will work quite well for case forming. Simply shortening a set of Wilson 22PPC dies (neck bushing & seater) will get you in business. Good shootin! RG
I managed to put my foot into my mouth - the Wilson dies were not for a -0.100" 22PPC (second coming of the Waldog
); I had re-reamed them for my -.200" 22BR. Please accept my apology for not checking and confirming before making the offer of the dies. The Wilson FL/Form die is good, but, as CajunBlake points out, a cut off 22/250 FL die will work quite well for case forming. Simply shortening a set of Wilson 22PPC dies (neck bushing & seater) will get you in business. Good shootin! RG
It's not best to describe the Waldog as a .100 or .125 Short PPC because the different PPC brass varies in length. The best way to describe it is a 1.375" case.
Now, having said that, I suppose the only true Waldog is the one designed and built by Dan. But, it seems that everyone who builds one has his own idea of what it should be and, after all, it is a wildcat. In my collection I have no less than 7 different versions. They vary in body length, neck length, and case length. They are hard to tell apart except by comparing them side by side.
As far as the Waldog competing with the 6PPC, I think it's fair to say that they are equals, regardless of conditions. Many will argue that the Waldog is the better cartridge. It is only the difficulty in making the cases, and the fact that it cannot be used in Sporter Class, that keeps it from being used more than it is.
Just an opinion from a former Waldog user.
Ray
Now, having said that, I suppose the only true Waldog is the one designed and built by Dan. But, it seems that everyone who builds one has his own idea of what it should be and, after all, it is a wildcat. In my collection I have no less than 7 different versions. They vary in body length, neck length, and case length. They are hard to tell apart except by comparing them side by side.
As far as the Waldog competing with the 6PPC, I think it's fair to say that they are equals, regardless of conditions. Many will argue that the Waldog is the better cartridge. It is only the difficulty in making the cases, and the fact that it cannot be used in Sporter Class, that keeps it from being used more than it is.
Just an opinion from a former Waldog user.
Ray
I also understand that the short 22ppc is just as accurate as a 6ppc. some will even say it is better?? I wouldnt know. I just like the fact that there will be less recoil! Thats what i am after!
So forming a piece of 22russiam is as easy as running it up in a 22-250 fl size die is that correct? Will i have to cut the 22-250 die down? Lee
So forming a piece of 22russiam is as easy as running it up in a 22-250 fl size die is that correct? Will i have to cut the 22-250 die down? Lee
With some brands of brass, and even with the cut-off 22-250 die, be prepared for some collapsed cases if you try to push the shoulder back in one pass. Best to do it in steps. Better still is a set of case forming dies that use the different size bushings. Regardless of how you do it, you still have to fire form.
JMHO
Ray
JMHO
Ray
22-250 dies are fairly cheep. would it make since to have two or three of them cut for different depths? Or i can buy prepared brass from my good friend ron hoene for 2 bucks a pop. Ouch! It will be nice brass though. I also think my friend that i am buying the barrel from can form them, so i may not even mess with it. Lee
Lee
Instead of a normal shell holder I have one that is solid and goes up into the die. You set the case on top and push it up in to the die. The stem needs to be removed to do this so you can use a punch to push the case back out. If you like and I get a minuet I will see if I can get you a photo of what I am talking about. It sounds more difficult than it is. You can even use anything that sets on top a shell holder to push the case up into the die.
Brian
Instead of a normal shell holder I have one that is solid and goes up into the die. You set the case on top and push it up in to the die. The stem needs to be removed to do this so you can use a punch to push the case back out. If you like and I get a minuet I will see if I can get you a photo of what I am talking about. It sounds more difficult than it is. You can even use anything that sets on top a shell holder to push the case up into the die.
Brian
I must be missing something because i am not pushing the shoulder back .100 with this 22-250 die. Do i have to really mash this thing or what. My brass is all the way up into the die as far as it can possably go. I tried formed ppc and new 220 russian. what am i not doing? Lee
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