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S&W action job artist

COLT45SA

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Question for those who are K-frame affectionados. I want to know who has done the smoothest action job on a K-frame S&W that you have ever experienced. I'm looking for ball bearing like smoothness with a perceptible stop immediately prior to full battery, lightest trigger pull, and ultra-clean trigger break.
I had a K17 at one time in my younger ignorant days that I stupidly traded for a Colt Match Target and regretted the very first time I shot the Match Target. I went back to the shop where I had made the trade only to find that the 17 had already been sold.
 
Jackie

How did you do it ?

Hal
Back in the 1970’s, I built a lot of police PPC target pistols out of model 10’s, which is a fixed sight K Frame.
I bought 1 1/4 diameter Shilen 1-16 twist barrels and cut it to make finished 6 inch barrels. I slabbed the sides, and mounted a Bomar Rib.
I took the single action out, as these matches were all double action shooting. I ground off the spur atop of the hammer.
Inside, everything got polished. Special attention was paid to every sliding part and the surface it road on. I would go to gun shows and buy parts and new springs. The hammer spring was particularly important. I polished them so that they curved in a steady arc instead of trying to kink toward the end of the cycle.

To get the things to lock just before the hammer fell, I often had to peen the advancing pawl, stretching it just enough to advance the cylinder the correct amount. The slot that the advancing pawl road in also got polished.

Cylinder gap was very important, we shot 38 specials with 148 grn hard cast wad cutters at about 750 fps. I would peen the yoke so the cylinder had just enough end play for operation smoothly, then gave the barrel .005 gap, too little gap and little pieces of unburned powder or a sliver of bullet could produce a tight spot. We settled for a little side blow by for smooth operation.

Keep in mind, I did all of this back when you could go to gun shows and buy just about any Smith & Wesson part made. Those days are long gone.

I am going to enclose a picture of a pistol I built back then, during the “Dirty Harry Craze”. It is a 45 magnum, so to speak. This is one of the nicest firearm products I ever built. Of course, it’s built on a N-Frame, and it is slick as grease, as the action work is the same as on a K Frame.image.jpg

It was featured in Guns and Ammo in July, 1977.
I could give details on the build, but I don’t wish to hyjack your thread. I will say that the cylinder is machined from premium aircraft quality E-4340, normalized, annealed, hardenned, then a double quench to bring it to 38RC.
 
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Not knocking Jackie work I, being in San Antonio, TX. had access to some of the best military trained gunsmiths in the world. Example , Bob Day, Steve Velchove, Then Steve Cline. To name a few. All had different ways of doing things. From their Frank Glen who is still in business built 1 hell of a revolver for me. I shot Bianchi cup type matches from 80 to 96.
Whether it was a 1911 or a smith, the work was second to None.I was taught some of the secrets by most of the above. Mostly by Mr Cline.
I have had the pleasure of shooting other work by Ron Power, Wilson, Cylinder and slide, and countless others, but it was hard to beat local talent. I could go on, but the attention to detail was paramount.
As Jackie mentions, those days are gone. I hold on to my comp guns as a reminder of days long gone.
 
Keep us posted. Which model K17 are you going to start with?
I'll try to do that. It's a 17-4 with a 6" barrel full target that's already been worked by one smith whose didn't get close to what I'm looking for. I don't know why I love this particular piece as much as I do, but having experienced what I talked about in my original post. I know it can be done.
We do a lot of things we later regret as we grow older. It's like the old Pennsylvania Dutch saying "We grow old fast and schmart slow"~!
 
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Back in the 1970’s, I built a lot of police PPC target pistols out of model 10’s, which is a fixed sight K Frame.
I bought 1 1/4 diameter Shilen 1-16 twist barrels and cut it to make finished 6 inch barrels. I slabbed the sides, and mounted a Bomar Rib.
I took the single action out, as these matches were all double action shooting. I ground off the spur atop of the hammer.
Inside, everything got polished. Special attention was paid to every sliding part and the surface it road on. I would go to gun shows and buy parts and new springs. The hammer spring was particularly important. I polished them so that they curved in a steady arc instead of trying to kink toward the end of the cycle.

To get the things to lock just before the hammer fell, I often had to peen the advancing pawl, stretching it just enough to advance the cylinder the correct amount. The slot that the advancing pawl road in also got polished.

Cylinder gap was very important, we shot 38 specials with 148 grn hard cast wad cutters at about 750 fps. I would peen the yoke so the cylinder had just enough end play for operation smoothly, then gave the barrel .005 gap, too little gap and little pieces of unburned powder or a sliver of bullet could produce a tight spot. We settled for a little side blow by for smooth operation.

Keep in mind, I did all of this back when you could go to gun shows and buy just about any Smith & Wesson part made. Those days are long gone.

I am going to enclose a picture of a pistol I built back then, during the “Dirty Harry Craze”. It is a 45 magnum, so to speak. This is one of the nicest firearm products I ever built. Of course, it’s built on a N-Frame, and it is slick as grease, as the action work is the same as on a K Frame.View attachment 1672461

It was featured in Guns and Ammo in July, 1977.
I could give details on the build, but I don’t wish to hyjack your thread. I will say that the cylinder is machined from premium aircraft quality E-4340, normalized, annealed, hardenned, then a double quench to bring it to 38RC.
appears to have a trigger shoe. Was this something you converted and did the N frame not start as a 3T?
Just curious.
Mike
 
appears to have a trigger shoe. Was this something you converted and did the N frame not start as a 3T?
Just curious.
Mike
If that pistol started as a Mod 10 the adjustable rear sight was an addition. Model 10s left the factory with fixed sights because they were built as a service revolvers. I can't blow the picture up big enough to get a good look at the trigger, but since the 10 was produced as a service revolver and could not have been manufactured with a target trigger. It could be a shoe, or the builder could have purchased and intaled a target trigger and replace the original.
 
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Back in the 1970’s, I built a lot of police PPC target pistols out of model 10’s, which is a fixed sight K Frame.
I bought 1 1/4 diameter Shilen 1-16 twist barrels and cut it to make finished 6 inch barrels. I slabbed the sides, and mounted a Bomar Rib.
I took the single action out, as these matches were all double action shooting. I ground off the spur atop of the hammer.
Inside, everything got polished. Special attention was paid to every sliding part and the surface it road on. I would go to gun shows and buy parts and new springs. The hammer spring was particularly important. I polished them so that they curved in a steady arc instead of trying to kink toward the end of the cycle.

To get the things to lock just before the hammer fell, I often had to peen the advancing pawl, stretching it just enough to advance the cylinder the correct amount. The slot that the advancing pawl road in also got polished.

Cylinder gap was very important, we shot 38 specials with 148 grn hard cast wad cutters at about 750 fps. I would peen the yoke so the cylinder had just enough end play for operation smoothly, then gave the barrel .005 gap, too little gap and little pieces of unburned powder or a sliver of bullet could produce a tight spot. We settled for a little side blow by for smooth operation.

Keep in mind, I did all of this back when you could go to gun shows and buy just about any Smith & Wesson part made. Those days are long gone.

I am going to enclose a picture of a pistol I built back then, during the “Dirty Harry Craze”. It is a 45 magnum, so to speak. This is one of the nicest firearm products I ever built. Of course, it’s built on a N-Frame, and it is slick as grease, as the action work is the same as on a K Frame.View attachment 1672461

It was featured in Guns and Ammo in July, 1977.
I could give details on the build, but I don’t wish to hijack your thread. I will say that the cylinder is machined from premium aircraft quality E-4340, normalized, annealed, hardened, then a double quench to bring it to 38RC.
How do I reach you to discuss my Model 14-3
 

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